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Even Freeh Group member realizes NCAA wrongly punished Penn St.
NBC Sports ^ | 7-27-12 | Ben Kercheval

Posted on 07/27/2012 12:47:44 PM PDT by FlJoePa

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To: old school

What a cowardly, insensate lot! Had it been me instead of that turd McQueary, who witnessed Sandusky with that little boy in the shower, I’d have beat that son-of-bitch into hair and snot!


21 posted on 07/27/2012 1:37:10 PM PDT by old school
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To: FlJoePa

They wanted Paterno out of the record book. But they couldn’t see the navigational path to just expunge a bunch of his wins without hitting the school. In the end this will be bad for the NCAA, because now every time anybody involved in college athletics gets caught breaking a law people will expect something from the NCAA. They have too many rules to enforce already, now they get to enforce all the laws of the land too.


22 posted on 07/27/2012 1:42:11 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

This was not a simple breaking of the law as you say. What happened there was overwhelmingly evil and they didn’t rise against it. Trading a sports record for the soul of a child is low-down, dirty and evil!


23 posted on 07/27/2012 1:49:06 PM PDT by old school
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To: FlJoePa

Go ahead. Make fun of me all of you freepers. If the NCAA has power over this they have power over curriculum, they have power over political opinions, they have power over absolutely everything. And absolute power always leads to absolute corruption.

(Oh, and “freepers” fails the Free Republic spell checker. LOL)


24 posted on 07/27/2012 1:57:25 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: jimfree
The NCAA violated due process, excess punishment, standing, and relevance principles all over the place.

Nobody should assume that what the NCAA has done bears anything but a passing resemblence to a legal procedure. Don't be fooled. PSU agreed to this punshment. They consented. Oh yes, you could say that the NCAA may have threatened. But those threats could have been challenged by PSU in a court. Stays could have been applied for and this would have dragged on for years. In the end both PSU & the NCAA saw the need to cut a deal.

I'd have prefered a multi-year suspension of the program with all players having the right to transfer out without penalty. But PSU wouldn't go for that and would have fought it.

25 posted on 07/27/2012 1:57:39 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: old school

I didn’t say it was a simple breaking of the law. I’m pointing out that once you establish you will punish the institution over and above legal ramifications it’s hard to get off that path. Now people will want them to punish FOR simple law breaking.


26 posted on 07/27/2012 2:05:35 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: silverleaf
a number of MEN on and off the coaching staff and adminstration and the local POLICE covered up rape- So punish THEM

Yes, but that will take TIME. The courts grind slowly and Sandusky himself has only just gone to prison.

Meanwhile there is a (justifiably) angry lynch-mob screaming for justice. This is a huge PR problem both for the NCAA & PSU. The NCAA rules never contemplated anything like this. So a back-room deal got cut. Publically the NCAA is saying that harsher penalties were contemplated, and PSU says that they were threatened with "The Death Penalty". Hogwash. It's all kabuki. They both cut a deal.

True Justice will have to wait for Graham Spanier's imprisonment. Oh, by the way, did you hear he got a federal job today? The other two in the dock, Curley & Schultz, are still only charged with perjury. So right now we're in the middle-innings and Justice is trailing by 3 runs.

27 posted on 07/27/2012 2:05:40 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: allmendream

I assume you read the freeh report? Can you show me where there is proof that Joe Paterno did anything wrong?

Not in the summary - the actual report.

Also, you do know that the PA AG praised Joe for his testimony and was perplexed that the University would fire him.

Show me that proof tough guy. Or shut your mouth.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 2:05:58 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: dfwgator

If Bear had been an accessory to cover up and allow child rape by a predator homosexual, then he too wouldn’t deserve a legacy.

What Paterno did was despicable.


29 posted on 07/27/2012 2:10:26 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: discostu
It's equally likely that the NCAA will utterly collapse in a few years. Look at all the money that college football & basketball bring in to the universities and the "super" conferences. The NCAA is losing control (if they ever had it). So yes, this might be establishing a new level of authority, but consent can be given (as PSU did) and it can also be withdrawn.
30 posted on 07/27/2012 2:12:53 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: FlJoePa

According to the NCAA, it’s worse if you pay your players for a few years than it is if you cover up the rapes of kids for over a dozen years.

PSU should thank it’s lucky stars for their “punishment”.

PSU should have gotten the death penalty for a minimum of 5 years.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 2:13:27 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: silverleaf

Now, now, logic is not permitted when discussing this story.

The mass hysteria and abandonment of all reason must prevail!

After all, they are doing this “for the children.” /retch


32 posted on 07/27/2012 2:14:49 PM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Tallguy

Yeah, in the long run this adds more incentives for the super conferences (one of which includes PSU) to tell the NCAA to jump in a lake.


33 posted on 07/27/2012 2:19:03 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: FlJoePa

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8164487/legal-experts-say-joe-paterno-faced-charges-freeh-report

“Duquesne law professor Wes Oliver said the report by former FBI director Louis Freeh reads like a prosecution case for a child endangerment charge against Paterno, then-president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and now-retired vice president Gary Schultz. Oliver noted that a former top official in the Philadelphia Archdiocese was convicted of that very charge in June for allowing a suspected pedophile priest to be around children.

“If you look at what happened here, it’s very clear that they were aware that they had a pedophile on their campus,” Oliver said.”

Stick your head in the sand all you want, but you are defending a man who failed miserably. I don’t wish that he would burn in hell, but I think that it is pretty obvious that Paterno did something awful.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 2:19:18 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: dfwgator
Actually $12 million a year for five years, for a school with an endowment of $1.7 billion.

The lawsuits will bankrupt Pedo State and they will have to close the gates forever. Maybe the Catholic church will purchase Pedo State and turn it into a nunnery.

35 posted on 07/27/2012 2:22:30 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: thefactor
PSU actively covered up child rape for 14 years.

"PSU" did that? Actually a handful of despicable cowards covered up, and they're either dead, in prison, or soon will be.

I thought conservatives were against guilt by association...

36 posted on 07/27/2012 2:22:39 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Bulldoze Pedo State into the ground and then nuke it from orbit just to be sure. And take that abomination of a statue to the Fort Sill artillery range and use it for target practice.


37 posted on 07/27/2012 2:24:27 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: FlJoePa
Oh sure, Joe Paterno didn't do ANYTHING wrong

- other than to ignore at least two credible reports of weird goings on in his showers involving Sandusky.

- other than advising Penn State officials to be “humane” to Sandusky and not take it to real authorities.

- other than telling Sandusky that he was observed by McQueary, giving Sandusky the opportunity to apply additional pressure to keep his victim silent.

- other than giving McQueary a job for the next decade plus so as to ensure HIS silence.

- other than observing Sandusky parading boy after boy around Penn State and at banquets without saying or doing anything.

- other than that - yeah - the guy was a f*cking hero.

The Penn State apologists show what a sick culture was there. Success without honor.

38 posted on 07/27/2012 2:26:45 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: SVTCobra03
Bulldoze Pedo State into the ground and then nuke it from orbit just to be sure. And take that abomination of a statue to the Fort Sill artillery range and use it for target practice.

Very insightful and persuasive commentary. And so well researched!

39 posted on 07/27/2012 2:30:02 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

But the NCAA did punish Paterno. They punished the students and the football team members. It’s too late to punish Paterno. Taking down his stature was a good thing, though.

The NCAA made the Penn State football team victims of the child abuse scandal, itself. It would have been more appropriate to fire every single member of the administration who was in a position of power at the time of the cover up.

Last night, HBO ran a story on Bryan Gumble’s show about the hazing in bands at Black colleges. It was absolutely horrendous, worse than anything that we have seen at fraternities. The real story, though, is the fact that the school administrations continue to turn a blind eye to the violence, even after kids have died, suffered kidney failure and other severe injuries do the beating. They brought up the comparison to what Penn State is doing.

At least Penn State is making an effort to reform the culture of football first. I’m afraid that this is just going to add fuel to the fire to kill off football. Frankly, I wouldn’t miss it, but my husband would and so would a whole lot of other men.


40 posted on 07/27/2012 2:30:49 PM PDT by Eva
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