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Again our ticket is upside down (Vanity reaction)
Heart of darkness | Today in infamy | Disgusted me

Posted on 08/11/2012 10:59:31 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Once again the ticket is upside-down as the GOP-e throws us a bone with a true blue Conservative running second under the thumb of a liberal RINO. McLame formula again.

Is this the template for the next 20 GOP-e nominees? Run a turd and coat it in sugar? I hate the GOP-e. I hate them all the more because they know I have to hold my nose this year and vote ABO, which painfully is Romney this year. Puke.


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The fix is in. The fix was always in.

Is every presidential election from now on going to pit a Dem communist against a GOP librul with a tea party underling.

The GOP-e sold us out long ago. They were never our friend. Not Daddy Bush, not Baby Bush and not Romney. No clue how Reagan squeaked by the machine.

Yes, I will idiot librul Romney into office to get rid of the Soros hand-picked, anti-American radical communist Muslim foreigner currently occupying the White House and his tyrannical wife, because we can't survive another 4 years of them and Jarrett and Axelrod, et. al., but the fix is clearly in that the GOP is not about restoring our lost liberty.

The commie Dems want us oppressed, but the GOP-e just wants house slaves to feed their labor and tax machines. Conservatives have no representation. Puke.

No, Ryan does not make voting for Romney more palatable any more than Palin did for McLame. Both tickets were upside down and both tickets tell you everything you need to know about the GOP-e.

I'm disgusted.

1 posted on 08/11/2012 10:59:48 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Feel better now?


2 posted on 08/11/2012 11:01:24 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Nothing prevented Ryan from running for the nomination except Ryan. Though I did not vote for Romney he got the most votes. Such is life.


3 posted on 08/11/2012 11:04:47 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I feel better about supporting the Romney candidacy now that Ryan is the pick. I was already planning to support him anyway though.

The problem is the RATs will demagogue the Medicare issue into the ground and Ryan will cost Romney far more votes than he wins him.

As much as I personally love Paul Ryan, I think this race just went from a slight Obama advantage to an overwhelming one. Romney will now likely lose at least as badly as McCain did — maybe worse.


4 posted on 08/11/2012 11:06:14 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

No. More disgusted.


5 posted on 08/11/2012 11:06:32 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
No.
But I agree totally with #1.
Were you happy with McLame, Dole, GHWB, or with GHB's fiscal mischief?
6 posted on 08/11/2012 11:08:16 AM PDT by norton
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To: jwalsh07

Romney did not “just” get the most votes. He was hand-picked by the GOP establishment, who then went on to destroy his competitors while supporting him. They went after Cain and Bachmann, and then made sure that nobody could even oppose him in Virginia. Only he and Ron Paul made the Virginia ballot.

This was no fair contest that Romney won out of popularity with the people. He had no traction early. None. He won a war of attrition because the GOP establishment that hand-picked him then threw their full support behind him while trashing his opponents.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 11:09:56 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: jwalsh07
Nothing prevented Ryan from running for the nomination except Ryan. Though I did not vote for Romney he got the most votes. Such is life.

Bingo. Anyone could have run. There were lots of Tea Party types that could have thrown their hat into the right. They didn't. Ryan is a good choice for Romney. I wish it were Ryan at the top of the ticket, but he chose not to run in the primaries for the job.

8 posted on 08/11/2012 11:11:26 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: norton

For crying out loud.

The only ticket which would have been better than this, would have been Romney / Palin.

Quit whining, the deal is done.
Run next time, if you will.

Except next time you’ll have competition.

And I am (not) saying Romney. :D


9 posted on 08/11/2012 11:13:07 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Who did you want on the ticket?

I ask that not as a jibe, but genuinely wondering.

I think Romney is a damn poor candidate. But I didn’t see anybody else out there taking the electorate by storm, either among those running or those not.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 11:13:37 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: comebacknewt

What Romney/Ryan need to do is talk extensively about Obamacare letting seniors & terminal pts just expire due to costs.

Sort of reminds me of Hitler.


11 posted on 08/11/2012 11:13:56 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Grow up. Or not. I don’t care much either way.


12 posted on 08/11/2012 11:13:56 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: comebacknewt

That is why they put sugar on a turd — to let you pretend it is a candy bar.

I will still vote Romney as we must unseat the radical communist Muslim anti-American in the White House, but I am still not going to like doing so.

I maintain that Romney is a lock to win election. Paul helps his chances IMHO, but either way, Obama is toast. The economy doomed him. No president could win re-election with this economy shackled to his leg, despite the entire MSM propaganda effort to run interference for him.

Obama is a one-term wonder. I predicted that back before his inauguration and I stand on my prediction. Obama is toast.


13 posted on 08/11/2012 11:13:58 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Excuse me, but WE did this. I believe there was a little thing called the primaries.

We had more than half a dozen good, conservative candidates and we ate our own.

We voted (or didn’t vote) and we got what we deserved.

Search: republican primaries voter turnout

Our turnout was dismal and inexcusable. It was the same in 2008.

Now Romney has given us a good, solid conservative as his running mate and, if things go well, a future presidential candidate. If Romney does manage to turn this economy around, he’ll get a second term then Ryan will be the heir apparent 8 years from now.

IMHO, the GOP did *US* a favor and gave us a shot at a really good guy for the long run. They undid OUR mistake.

We live in a Republic. We get the government we deserve.


14 posted on 08/11/2012 11:14:19 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
This was no fair contest that Romney won out of popularity with the people. He had no traction early. None. He won a war of attrition because the GOP establishment that hand-picked him then threw their full support behind him while trashing his opponents.

Much like Dems in '08. Difference being the Dems had enouogh sense to get behind their guy like it or not.

15 posted on 08/11/2012 11:16:22 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Once again the ticket is upside-down

You know you can say the same thing about the Dem ticket in 2008

Biden is a tried and true libtard of the first degree, nationally known...Obama was am almost unknown...

16 posted on 08/11/2012 11:16:36 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

And continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different outcome is pretty damn stupid.

I like Ryan a lot but I don’t expect a huge long lasting bump for Romney out of it.


17 posted on 08/11/2012 11:16:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Fightin Whitey

The bottom of the ticket is irrelevant except in delivering votes to help the party win election, and that doesn’t matter this election because Obama will lose due to the large ABO vote (not here from Freepers, but in the heartland where masses of people either aren’t working, are holding pink slips, are holding their wives pink slipd, have working age unemployed kids living with them, or are hanging on to their small business by a fingernail because they can’t get a small business loan beg, borrow or steal.

Obama is doomed by his handling of the economic depression. It doesn’t matter who Romney puts on the bottom of the ticket.

If you are asking what ticket I wanted besides Romney, then a Palin/Ryan ticket would have just thrilled me.


18 posted on 08/11/2012 11:18:24 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: cripplecreek

I do...

I think Romney was suffering from “too much Romney all the time” and someone recognized it was important to share the lights with someone genuinely likable.

Ryan is strong, and likable. He could win this for Romney.


19 posted on 08/11/2012 11:19:19 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: cripplecreek

I think the bump will depend on how they play it. If they put the word out that Ryan will be an active part of the Administration and not another Biden, it could help. The biggest issue is the economy and that’s Ryan’s turf.


20 posted on 08/11/2012 11:19:52 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Let’s just hope that — should Mittens end up losing in ‘12 — the CINOs in control of the party don’t end up demonizing Ryan as the purported cause, as they did Sarah Palin last time out.


21 posted on 08/11/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Marie

Bravo!


22 posted on 08/11/2012 11:22:03 AM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The GOP establishment didn’t force anybody to vote for anyone. We were well aware of all the candidates. Romney got the most votes in the primary, period.


23 posted on 08/11/2012 11:25:51 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Marie
Excuse me, but WE did this. I believe there was a little thing called the primaries. We had more than half a dozen good, conservative candidates and we ate our own. We voted (or didn’t vote) and we got what we deserved. Search: republican primaries voter turnout

Our turnout was dismal and inexcusable. It was the same in 2008.

Now Romney has given us a good, solid conservative as his running mate and, if things go well, a future presidential candidate. If Romney does manage to turn this economy around, he’ll get a second term then Ryan will be the heir apparent 8 years from now.

IMHO, the GOP did *US* a favor and gave us a shot at a really good guy for the long run. They undid OUR mistake.

We live in a Republic. We get the government we deserve.

Well said, Marie! We have made our choice, and it is time to pull together and vote for the future of our country.

24 posted on 08/11/2012 11:26:37 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Marie
Excuse me, but WE did this. I believe there was a little thing called the primaries.

We had more than half a dozen good, conservative candidates and we ate our own.

We voted (or didn’t vote) and we got what we deserved.

Don't you get it yet. WE Conservatives had no voice in this.

The GOP establishment shoved Romney down our throats from day one. They shoved Baby Bush down our throats giving him a huge warchest. Then they shoved McLame down our throats.

In this election, they painted Cain as a doofus and Bachmann as a religious nutcase, and Santorum as extreme. They shoved Romney down our throats just as they shoved McLame down our throats.

WE DID NOT do this. The GOP establishment hand-picked their foisted candidate on us against a very weak field like obscure House members and private businessmen who never won office. Don't you get it yet? The machine picks the candidate, not us. We are just along for the ILLUSION we pick the candidate.

25 posted on 08/11/2012 11:28:01 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

You’re right of course, but there just aren’t enough sane people in America to make Conservatives a majority. Wish it wan’t so.


26 posted on 08/11/2012 11:30:44 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Unless there was something having to due with Sarah Palin we don’t know about, that was the day which changed the race

Up until that day, I believed Sarah Palin would lead the GOP to a new destiny this year.

She stood down.

Palin stood down.

After that, is was a giant mop-up job and Romney got the best of that.

That’s the way things sometimes work. You deal with them and you moves on.


27 posted on 08/11/2012 11:31:15 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Once again the ticket is upside-down

Word, bro.

28 posted on 08/11/2012 11:31:25 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Kenny

I’m constantly baffled how the Dems will pick the most far left asswipe, knowing they can get him elected, and they do.
Carter, Clinton, Obama. All from the far left.

Then the GOP-e comes along and says they can’t get those “extremist far-right” conservatives elected, so they run liberal Republicans to “appeal to the independents”.

Puke. We all know that you can’t win running socialist light against a true socialist. They conservative base stays home. OK, this year is different because the anger and terror among voters over the economy will trump all social issues and foreign affairs, so Obama is toast. But the principal still stands.

You run guys like Reagan and you can win because the base turns out hard. You run McLame and the base stays home.

Yet the commie Dems run a Marxist and they get him elected. They understand that it is all about getting out the base, not bothering with the wishy-washy fickle moderates and independents.


29 posted on 08/11/2012 11:32:41 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

And so we’re all well divided on both R & R.

Nevertheless, they are not foreign self-professed America-killing monsters.

What unites us is this country’s need to take out the trash, starting at the top in less than 3 months.

Let’s focus on the country’s needs first.

If Romney isn’t already pwned by BiG media, then they will work overtime to keep him honest and hammer anything else to us ad nauseum.

God help us all.


30 posted on 08/11/2012 11:35:11 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

As a group, we did not show up en mass and vote for Romney. We (as a group) sat on our butts.

The last time I checked, voters were supposed to be responsible adults with the capability to read and analyze. The Tea Party didn’t show up in droves to support ANY candidate.

No. Conservatives bitched and blogged and waited for everyone else to vote for them.

Yeah, the RINO GOP did their best to discredit the conservative candidates in order to get us their version of the best ‘moderate’ (thanks Rove). But we didn’t buy it. The Tea Party didn’t buy it.

They just didn’t take action when it mattered.

It kills me that thousands can show up to stand a park in August heat to wave a sign and an American flag, and the vast majority of them couldn’t show up to fill in a ballot.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 11:36:31 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
What is it you understand?

Ryan did NOT run for POTUS?

32 posted on 08/11/2012 11:36:53 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Same ticket, different election.

I’m not buying it this time. Voting Constitution Party for the top of the ballot. Voting for the conservative down ticket.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 11:38:12 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Magic Fingers

Right, and the Dems weren’t forced to vote for Obama in 2008. An obscure backwater black Senator with no name recognition just coincidentally waltzed ahead of big name Hillary Clinton, the popular favorite to be the nominee, to become president. Yes, the voters did that and Soros and Rahm Emmanuel and the Democrat Party machine had nothing to do with it. Just coincidence.

Right. Please see my eBay sales add for the Brooklyn Bridge. I take pay pal.


34 posted on 08/11/2012 11:40:44 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
This was no fair contest that Romney won out of popularity with the people. He had no traction early. None. He won a war of attrition because the GOP establishment that hand-picked him then threw their full support behind him while trashing his opponents.

Look FRiend, almost every primary that Romney won was because the conservative votes were split among a number of candidates. Had the conservatives gotten their stuff together and fielded just one candidate, we would have very likely defeated Romney and the GOP-e. But the conservatives did not do that. The conservative vote remained split in state after state, allowing Romney to win.

So I ask you, whose fault was it that we were splitting our vote among four (then three, then two...) different conservative candidates?

35 posted on 08/11/2012 11:42:43 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Look on the bright side. The great two terms of Ronald Reagan were followed by a single tepid term by H.W. Bush, who, while he did some “okay” things, lived in Reagan’s shadow.

So imagine this time that a single tepid term by Romney, which will likely be much like that of his fellow New Englander, H.W., builds enough momentum to have two solid terms by Ryan.

This will likely be more liveable, as a lot of the RINOs will have been purged, so the more conservative House and Senate will be setting more of the tone, and hopefully in four years enough conservative momentum will be built up so that President Ryan can hit the ground running, with a motivated conservative Republican congress.


36 posted on 08/11/2012 11:43:18 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Fightin Whitey

I agree. The only other candidate as bad as Romney in my lifetime was probably Bob Dole. I like Ryan a lot. Not sure he was the best choice for this spot at this time, but I doubt it matters anyway.

I can’t help but to have a suspicion that this entire campaign is nothing but a charade anyway. The fix is in by the elites running the show. We will have a 2nd term of the 0bama. God willing, his “opposition” will hold the House and expand their ranks in the Senate to keep his agenda in check.


37 posted on 08/11/2012 11:43:31 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Marie

Exactly!

Some of the hacks here are as bad as a welfare loafer.

They want something for screwing up, and when someone offers them a job, they say no thanks because it’s easier to act like the victim because it requires less effort.


38 posted on 08/11/2012 11:44:19 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
They're throwing you a bone...Hoping the Rs will again vote for another phony liberal...

It's like forcing you drive a solar powered go-cart to work, but to appease the fools, this one has cool looking custom wheels and a flame paint job!

It's one big conjob.


39 posted on 08/11/2012 11:46:31 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Wah wah wah!
Nothing was stopping those voters from voting for any of those people other than their own brains.

I voted for Newt. My guy didn’t win. I had a voice and that voice wasn’t the majority.

But after Newt was out, I wasn’t going to pretend like it was stolen.


40 posted on 08/11/2012 11:48:15 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Agree, we did not pic this candidate. Not possible under the current primary system.

For the voters to have true control,all the primaries need to be on the same day, just like the national election.

Many never had a chance to vote for their candidate because he was run off the ticket before their state voted. The established GOP uses this piecemeal voting to pimp their candidate and vilify all others. And the media is overjoyed to go along with the scam.

As mentioned, Virginia was handed to Romney by the “rules committee”.


41 posted on 08/11/2012 11:49:43 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Shut up and defeat Obama.


42 posted on 08/11/2012 11:50:55 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Doc Savage

You’re right of course, but there just aren’t enough sane people in America to make Conservatives a majority. Wish it wan’t so.

I would beg to differ. I don’t think the problem is with a Republican electorate that fails to nominate conservatives. The problem is with a GOP establishment that has bought into the New World Order and sees the danger to themselves in running Conservatives for us to vote for.

The GOP-e is not conservative, period. Look at Boner and McConnell and the GOP leadership for the past 20 years. They are go along, get along, country club gentlemen in concert with UN ideals, not in opposition to them. They don’t want conservatives.

The perfect example is when Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott said, “We don’t want a lot of Jim Demint disciples”. Jim Demint is a solid conservative.

Lott is typical of the country club GOP leadership we have had for decades. They don’t want conservatives screwing up their NWO plans for business and corporate profit. They don’t want us.

Conservatives are to the GOP as blacks are to the Donkeys. Both are taken for granted because they know most of us won’t cross over to vote. So they ignore us and throw us a skinny bone every 3 years and 11 months.


43 posted on 08/11/2012 11:51:16 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Marie

Great post and excellent point!

Yet, on this forum, we still see the pouting and howling because their man/lady did not win.

Well..they did not do a good enough job of pushing that candidate. They should have got into the inside of the campaign and made sure he/she won. Not on Free Republic, but inside the campaign.

So we have this..and since virtually nearly every single one of them say they are Reagan conservatives and all that, then maybe they better heed the advice of Ronald Reagan. Get behind the candidate and get him/her elected even if you do not like him/her. Take it a little at a time, and pretty soon you’ll have the whole thing.


44 posted on 08/11/2012 11:53:06 AM PDT by crz
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I was certain in my heart Palin would run. She deeply disappointed me when she chickened out and quit. Then again, maybe she is just smart enough to know that the GOP-e was going to attack and marginalize her as they did to Bachmann and Cain.

All I know is I wanted her for president, not this idiot Masshole liberal we had shoved down our throats.


45 posted on 08/11/2012 11:54:14 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

No one made anyone vote for Obama and no one made anyone vote for Romney. Were Democrat voters aware of Hillary Clinton and her platform? Were you aware that Bachmann, Cain, Paul, Santorum, Gingrich, Huntsman, and Perry sought the nomination and what their platforms were? I thought so. Keep telling yourself whatever stories make you feel good.


46 posted on 08/11/2012 11:55:45 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: comebacknewt

I hate Mittens and agree with Soros that whether it is Obama or Mittens, there will be no real difference. However, I fail to see how Ryan, if he comes out swinging, will be a negative. If anything, it helps shore up the sheeple “conservatives” and will cover Mittens as he goes further left in the general. You can count on that. The RomneyCare stuff over the past week or so was a strategic turn. Ryan will help protect his flank from conservative criticism, because conservatives like shiny objects. He can go as far left as he wants and will probably be okay. Depends if he overreaches or not. All in all, this was, unfortunately, a good choice for Mitt Romney. I consider his chances of winning to be better. Which, to my point of view, guarantees GOPe control for the next 4 or 8 years, followed up with the libs. We’ve lost big.


47 posted on 08/11/2012 12:02:11 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Marie

Turn out was above the average in those states where conservative candidates won, and it was below the average to almost nonexistant in those states where Romney won. That means that the lies and negative campaigning supressed the vote so the micro-minority of RINOs could get him the nomination.


48 posted on 08/11/2012 12:05:16 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
"The fix is in."

===================================

I will fix them back.

The stakes are high and the world may burn but my vote is mine and mine alone to give and it will not go to someone who has a lifetime record of being my ideological enemy.

The GOP is the New Whig Party.

49 posted on 08/11/2012 12:06:44 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Live with or go join the jackals for Obama.


50 posted on 08/11/2012 12:07:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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