Posted on 08/18/2012 5:45:57 PM PDT by AlmaKing
It does seem straightforward. One should clean up one's own mess if at all possible (Combat being a difference in kind).
Do you live in that little sh!t town at the base of the Hoosier Pass with the strictly enforced 30MPH speed limit?
Not making any judgements...just asking.
Amen.
The couple didn’t find her for at least 4 or 5 days. She was rescued on the 8th day. I think they started planning the rescue on the 6th day, and they couldn’t go up on the 7th day because they were prevented by weather.
Billy Madison: [to Miss Lippy] Whoa whoa whoa, Miss Lippy. The part of the story I don’t like is that the little boy gave up looking for Happy after an hour. He didn’t put posters up or anything, he just sat on the porch like a goon and waited. That little boy’s gotta think ‘You got a pet. You got a responsibility.’ If your dog gets lost you don’t look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that f***in dog.
say what you want...
eight days will always be
EIGHT FRIGGIN’ DAYS.
I’ve read most of the posts there and these folks are brutalizing the owner yet readily admit that conditions are extremely tough for the search party volunteers.
The dog is fine but the community needs to take a break and put themselves in the owners shoes.
He took himself up there once for FUN. He could take himself up there again for his dog. Another rescue party tried a night rescue immediately after the dog was found six days into her ordeal, but they were unable to find her in the dark.
Even worse. The owner never went up there himself for a week after abandoning her. He left her to die - it’s animal cruelty and he doesn’t deserve to get her back.
I understand your point but after contacting SAR and being rebuffed, his friends interfered by telling him the dog was probably dead from her injuries.
He willingly admits he could have done more if he had thought of it, but didn’t know that resources were available, and his friends were useless.
The guy is an experienced climber. This is what does on his weekends for fun.
He NEVER went back for her in 8 days. He left her to die.
His employer said the she had to send him out of town, so he was totally unavailable to go back for the dog.
I blame his useless so-called friends.
Re: Dog Found: Mt. Bierstadt!
Postby HuskyRunner » 14 Aug 2012, 10:55
Forgive me if I seem extremely harsh here but I find the claims that Anthony is a responsible dog lover to be dubious. Missy was at 100 pounds yesterday when we carried her off the mountain after losing 10% of her body weight spending eight days laying alone in a talus field ~ 12,500 feet with him taking virtually no action to save, by his own admission he left her there to die. At the time he took her up the Sawtooth Missy was possibly 20 to 30 pounds overweight, experience with over 10 years in Dog Rescue and caring for 100+ dogs tells me Missy should ideally weigh around 80 pounds. Missy’s nails were a bit on the long side and given her highly damaged pads she obviously was not used to walking the given terrain. To me he didn’t have his dog’s health in mind by letting her get fat, didn’t have his dog’s health and well being in mind when he decided to take her on a 3rd class route she obviously wasn’t in condition to do, and finally didn’t have his dog’s welfare in mind when he left her there to die.
Talking to Alpine Rescue after we got back one of the members told me of an incident they were involved in at Herman Lake. Alpine Rescue was called to evacuate a St. Bernard from the lake after it had broken it’s spine and the owner refused to leave the area for days to stay with his hurt dog. Staying by your injured dog and giving it what comfort and care you can is responsible ownership.
Years ago while mountain biking with one of our dogs I went over the handle bars and shattered my wrist. Despite being in pain one of my first actions was to put my dog an leash so she would be safe on the 6 mile walk back to the car. Keeping your dog’s welfare in mind despite other concerns is responsible ownership.
Plenty of responders to this forum have commented on being prepared when hiking with your dog by carrying booties, pain meds, (aspirin), water, and any other needs your animal may have, good advice and responsible dog ownership. We put booties on Missy when we got to her and given that despite still having bleeding pads she was trotting down half the mountain without too much difficulty. Even after eight days starving in an alpine environment all she needed was a little help and care in getting her off the mountain. Had she been carried down to Abyss Lake, given some aspirin and dog booties I believe she could have gotten out via Scott Gomer and Burning Bear rather than being left to die.
We actually discussed evacuating Missy via Scott Gomer but discounted believing she was in worse condition that she really was. We took her out of the backpack because she was squirming and wanted her to stretch a little after being cramped for several hours. We were quite pleasantly surprised to see how well she got around on her own. I’ve had plenty of occasions where one of my own dogs got relief from a cut pad with just some pain med and a bootie, I’m fairly certain that eight days ago Missy could have gotten out with just a little bit of care, yet you carried her down a little bit and then left her to die.
The spot we found Missy was several hundred feet below the crossover on the Sawtooth, 1000 ft below the summit of Bierstadt, a spot that wasn’t terribly likely to experience a lighting strike, sure, possible but likely. Having two people one of you could have easily stayed with Missy while the other went for help, sure, burning bear was 8 miles from where you were but a little walk is better than leaving your dog to die alone on a mountain side.
It was mentioned that some hunters gave you directions, did you consider asking them for help in getting Missy down?
Even in the event that I couldn’t carry out one of my own dogs (unlikely because I have always considered being forced to prior to any trip) I would have attempted to enlist family, friends, acquaintances, hired help, whatever it took to get my dog back home. I would never have left my beloved friend and companion to die alone on a cold hillside. That eight total strangers were more willing than you to hike a short 4 miles in crappy weather to rescue a dog we didn’t even know speaks volumes to me about your lack of commitment to care for Missy.
Given that you didn’t take Missy’s welfare in mind before taking her into the mountains, weren’t willing to stay with her during her ordeal, didn’t go back to provide her some comfort or attempt to get her out yourself (blisters, give me a freaking break), and apparently didn’t do much of anything to save your dog prior to yesterday leaves me to say the following: You’ll get Missy back when you pry her out of my cold dead hands!
BTW, I don’t have her and do not know where she is at the moment.
He was the dog's leader. He was responsible. He needed to go back with or without all the assistance he could muster.
You blame his friends??? The guy is 30 yrs old, he’s not in high school. He thought the dog was already dead a day or 2 after he left her up there? I doubt that. A week, maybe.
And as for being sent out of town....He professes his love for the dog - then he should have called in sick and gone up there to get her.
The point is...strangers made more of an effort than he did.
He abandoned the dog, so now it should be adopted by someone else.
Thank you for posting that.
Bump
BINGO. No one's ever going to put it any more bluntly (or inarguably) than that.
Boom.
LOL!
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