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California says it can't reduce inmate total
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 18, 2012 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 08/19/2012 12:55:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

California officials, under U.S. Supreme Court orders to lower the population of its crowded prisons by 33,000 to bring a shoddy health care system up to constitutional standards, say they can't comply and shouldn't have to.

In a filing late Friday with a three-judge federal panel in San Francisco, the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said it can provide adequate medical care at higher population levels - about 6,000 higher - than the Supreme Court required in its May 2011 ruling.

Department officials rejected the three-judge court's suggestion that the state could comply with the population standards by releasing some prisoners early without endangering the public. Those possibilities would include granting inmates greater sentence reductions for good behavior and expanding Gov. Jerry Brown's realignment program, which has moved low-level felons from prisons to county jails.

"The Supreme Court did not authorize the early release of prisoners," state lawyers told the court. Continued enforcement of the requirement to reduce the inmate population to 112,000 by next June, they argued, "will come at a significant, and legally unnecessary, cost to the state" and also "interferes with the state's democratic processes."

......Last year, the Supreme Court upheld the panel's conclusion that overcrowding in a prison system that held almost twice its designed capacity was the main cause of poor health care. The court ordered the population lowered to 137.5 percent of capacity by June 2013.

......If that target stands, state lawyers said, California's only recourse would be to cancel plans to return about 5,000 inmates from prisons in other states, where they have been temporarily transferred. That would help lower the population to 112,000 by December 2013, they said, at a cost of more than $300 million to the state, while keeping the inmates separated from their families.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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KEYWORDS: felons; healthcare; prisons

1 posted on 08/19/2012 12:55:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How many illegal aliens?


2 posted on 08/19/2012 1:08:35 AM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna

has nothing to do with it.

It’s a system and an industry.

The whole thing is a scam. Even I was sucked into the 3 strikes law and it hosed the lives of losers who do nothing more than steal loaves of bread.

KahLeeFawnEeeYah is a Socialist/Marxist Apparatchik Territory.


3 posted on 08/19/2012 1:42:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sancuary Cities. Nice, huh?


4 posted on 08/19/2012 2:40:08 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Vendome

It has EVERYTHING to do with it.


5 posted on 08/19/2012 2:40:55 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Nice to know that American citizens that help lock up some of these 33,000 prisoners will be on the streets looking for them and thier families. Now if we can only take away everyones guns we would have a much safer society. sick people in positions of power, dangerous for the law abiding citizenry. Lets see 2264 officers and a release of 33,000 inmates...........sounds about even


6 posted on 08/19/2012 3:16:52 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: ronnie raygun

2264 sf, about 1900 los angeles as per interview with Bratton on friday. 33,000 Still a problem


7 posted on 08/19/2012 3:19:22 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s all about the prison guard’s union.


8 posted on 08/19/2012 4:15:47 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Eccl 10:2
It’s all about the prison guard’s union.

Yep. That's why Jenny Granholm was going to import California inmates to Michigan even though California couldn't afford to pay us for taking them. She even stated keeping guards on the job as a goal.

Its a prime example of the danger posed by public employee unions.
9 posted on 08/19/2012 4:28:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Vendome
I am impressed you picked up on the system and industry. Illegal aliens may be contributing to the total, but they are not the cause of over crowding.

I am also impressed no one on this thread has been bashing the men and women in jail. They screwed up, but deserve humane living conditions.

10 posted on 08/19/2012 5:06:37 AM PDT by shatcher (Judges 17:6b Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Department officials rejected the three-judge court's suggestion that the state could comply with the population standards by releasing some prisoners early without endangering the public. Those possibilities would include granting inmates greater sentence reductions for good behavior and expanding Gov. Jerry Brown's realignment program, which has moved low-level felons from prisons to county jails."

Refurb and reopen Alcatraz as a supermax. Lifers and death row only (yea, believe it or not, Kalifornia has the death penalty, currently suspended while they work out the price of rope).

Perfect finger-poke in the eye to one of the Libtard capitals of the world.

11 posted on 08/19/2012 5:47:13 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("So, a Mormon and a Catholic walk onto an aircraft carrier...")
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To: Vendome

“The whole thing is a scam. Even I was sucked into the 3 strikes law and it hosed the lives of losers who do nothing more than steal loaves of bread.”

It also put away felons that otherwise were getting a free pass out of jail thanks to liberal judges.

...and NO ONE got their lives hosed JUST for stealing break, one must look at what they did prior. It was a media trick.


12 posted on 08/19/2012 6:03:42 AM PDT by BobL (If you're afraid of guns, get yourself a wife that isn't)
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To: BobL

Pretty simple answer.....

1. Execute those currently sitting forever on death row.
(Why keep Charlie Manson around be on death row or not?)

2. Deport ALL illegals (eliminates the supply line of future prisoners)


13 posted on 08/19/2012 6:12:09 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov

“Pretty simple answer.....
1. Execute those currently sitting forever on death row.
(Why keep Charlie Manson around be on death row or not?)
2. Deport ALL illegals (eliminates the supply line of future prisoners)”

You’re right - there are easy answers. But there are MANY, MANY, otherwise conservative people that object to both. They don’t trust “the system” to execute the proper people, and they make (or save) a bunch of money using Illegals.

We have to get our own house in order first.


14 posted on 08/19/2012 6:16:54 AM PDT by BobL (If you're afraid of guns, get yourself a wife that isn't)
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To: shatcher
I am also impressed no one on this thread has been bashing the men and women in jail. They screwed up, but deserve humane living conditions.

My goodness! You probably think that being beaten, raped, even murdered shouldn't be a part of their sentence either.

(Neither do I.)

15 posted on 08/19/2012 6:20:55 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you fear Obama, you'll vote for Romney. If you fear God, you won't.)
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To: Vendome
It’s a system and an industry.

There is a real problem with releasing non violent offenders, what do you do with them once they are out? There are no jobs for them.

The prison system as it currently exist is a giant waste of human capital. Once released most of them don't function well in society simply because they have become institutionalized, heck even the guards and staff take on a institutionalized mindset.

People commit crimes , make mistakes and go to prison. Prison is punishment, it should be, it should be a life altering experience. It should not though be a farm system that just recycles criminals.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know the current prison industry is not working.

16 posted on 08/19/2012 6:27:51 AM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have an idea.....why don’t they go ask Sheriff Joe how to expand their facilities?

Tents...if they are good enough for our military they are more than right for criminals. Pink underwear and bologna sandwiches too.

Oh, I forgot...this is in California where the coddle criminals.


17 posted on 08/19/2012 6:31:47 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Vendome

The sad thing is that California’s recidivism rate is 65.1% within three years after release. Why wouldn’t the prison industry be happy with that?

Freegards


18 posted on 08/19/2012 6:32:58 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Vendome
It’s a system and an industry.

The prison guard union (CCPOA) is a vicious, hungry monster. Any politician (either party) who refuses to feed it is "soft on crime" and must be defeated.

19 posted on 08/19/2012 6:34:51 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Problem:overcrowding in a prison system that held almost twice its designed capacity.

Answer:Tent city like Arizona did.


20 posted on 08/19/2012 7:06:14 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vendome

So just tell me, how many illegal aliens?


21 posted on 08/19/2012 8:08:40 AM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They could have an Executionathon and get rid of almost 700 overnight.


22 posted on 08/19/2012 8:39:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

CT solved the problem of overcrowded prisons....just give them all early release.

http://articles.courant.com/2012-02-11/news/hc-escaped-inmates-0212-20120211_1_inmates-home-release-program-parole-officers

What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.myrecordjournal.com/meriden/article_f5b6e33e-dcb7-11e1-aefe-0019bb2963f4.html


23 posted on 08/19/2012 8:45:21 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: donna

Not enough to make a difference.


24 posted on 08/19/2012 9:42:02 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ransomed

Zactly!


25 posted on 08/19/2012 9:43:55 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Vendome said: "Even I was sucked into the 3 strikes law and it hosed the lives of losers who do nothing more than steal loaves of bread."

How about a "Four Strikes Law" then?

There may be justification for leniency for first offenders. When does that justification disappear?

How about if we simply make the first felony a one-year sentence and then simply double the sentence for later felonies? Would that be more fair?

If you do the math and recognize the incredible rate of recidivism you would probably end up with the same number of criminals serving life sentences.

Do you have to lock your car when you park in a shopping center parking lot? Why is that? How long could you park without locking your car before the contents or the car are stolen?

San Francisco conducted a sting years ago which consisted of portraying a helpless person holding cash. The sting resulted in the arrest of the same man TWICE in a nine-month period. How about telling us your estimate of the number of crimes that man must have committed during that nine months that went unsolved?

I have no sympathy for career criminals.

26 posted on 08/19/2012 10:01:01 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have a merciless idea.
Exterminate all those on life sentences.
Exterminate all those who are ‘captives of The War on Drugs’, or ‘The War on Terror’.
Exterminate all those who have pedophiliac charges against them.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 10:16:32 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: William Tell

It isn’t the sentence it’s the parole process that causes such a high recidivism rate that results in their constant incarceration and that environment changes many people.

I have two friends who are really nothing more than drunks and lousy ones at that.

They are also Barney Fife’s of CriminalDumb.

I can’t even recall what they were arrested for the 1st time more than 20 years and to be sure, they absolutely deserved to be punished but their punishments don’t really fit the crime and for sure their parole requirements are simply idiotic.

Then again, while these two morons are my friends, I am not sure they don’t deserve to be in jail from to time just not two or three years at a crack for mere parole violations.

They aren’t violent just too stoopit to function properly like the rest of us and I hate to see someone become dependent on the state through welfare, the same as I hate to see someone wakeup and start telling themselves after all these years that maybe their best life to get housing, food and medical is to just go back in.

That ain’t living and that’s the direction they are going.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 10:50:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Immigrants prove big business for prison companies

MIAMI—Locking up illegal immigrants has grown profoundly lucrative for the private prisons industry, a reliable pot of revenue that helped keep some of the biggest companies in business.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_21216589/immigrants-prove-big-business-prison-companies


29 posted on 08/19/2012 12:20:38 PM PDT by donna (Republicans wont change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna

LOL
Touche’

But I don’t care about the plight of the illegal immigrant jailed for being here.....well, illegally and in violation of so may laws.

Don’t blame em for coming either but their living here cheapest the value of citizenship and is offensive to right thinking Americans and thewwho toil for years to become citizens.


30 posted on 08/19/2012 12:49:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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