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Akin and the Conservative Circular Firing Squad
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Posted on 08/21/2012 4:34:14 AM PDT by Jacquerie

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To: justice14

I thought he would yesterday, and I hope he listens to his better nature ans resigns the nomination before the deadline. But I fear now he thinks he’s “special” and immune to forces that would wipe out a greater politician. He has people on both sides pressuring him to either leave or stay, and he’s arrogant enough to choose to stay and sink the party in MO.

I still can’t believe a 12-year veteran of the House could make such an idiotic mistake. In politics, which is basically the craft of talking, one lives by the talk, and dies by it. The only question today is how many people he chooses to take down with him. A lot of FReepers seem to think we should stick by our guy, like the Democrats do, no matter how evil or stupid.

Let’s just say I disagree. We have a standard for honesty and intelligence, and he fails the latter miserably. If he refuses to budge, then he’s arrogant enough to think the standards don’t apply to him to boot. I don’t need the enemedia to tell me he’s toast, I can see that for myself. I find the argument that those of us who want to hold him to a standard are somehow tools of the leftists insulting.


41 posted on 08/21/2012 5:57:07 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: GregH

So Akin changed your mind. He is worse than McCaskill. Vote McCaskill eh?


42 posted on 08/21/2012 5:58:34 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

For the definition of denial, your posts are superb.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 6:09:24 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Tossing Akin, a good man, will only encourage the next phony rat outrage.

Hussein is weak. McCaskill is joined at the hip with him and they will go down together.

The RSCC said yesterday they will not support Akin. These are the same GOP-E self serving aristocrats who supported Crist over Rubio and Murkowski over Miller.

I have no understanding or compassion for those who flee in the face of a weak and dispirited enemy.

44 posted on 08/21/2012 6:09:24 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

Hell with Akin. I voted for Brunner in the primary. If not for mccaskill spending a ton of money on advertising prior to the primaries no one outside of Missouri would have ever heard of Akin.


45 posted on 08/21/2012 6:12:27 AM PDT by Augie
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To: Jacquerie

It is irrelevant, this POS moron is diverting attention from obamacare, economy, national deficit and this needs to be stopped.


46 posted on 08/21/2012 6:16:00 AM PDT by GregH
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To: Jacquerie
makes an incoherent, marble mouthed statement of no substance

That's all you need to know. Akin is an idiot who will now tarnish all Republicans with his weirdo views about how rape victims have a secret way of not getting pregnant, i.e. unless of course they asked for it (wink, wink).
47 posted on 08/21/2012 6:16:22 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nuconvert

For the definition of disloyalty and cowardice, your posts are outstanding.


48 posted on 08/21/2012 6:20:11 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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If you insist on calling it fleeing, I have no further use for you or your thread. You are at least as stupid and possibly as arrogant as Akin.

This was just about the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard said or seen done by a politician this close to an election, and only an arrogant jerk (Akin) or an ignorant fool (you) can think he can get away with this. Like I said, the only question I have at this point is “How many other Republicans is he willing to take down with him?” If you can’t see how devastating his continued candidacy can be to the entire national party in November, there is no hope for your enlightenment. One must carefully select the battle to be fought, and this one is 100% on the Dems’ turf. Apparently you will have to learn it the hard way.

I’m just a little ticked you have to take all of us down with you, insulting everybody on your way down.


49 posted on 08/21/2012 6:24:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: nhwingut
You agreed with me that Akin made a statement lacking substance. In the next sentence you attributed substance to the statement. ????

Go on and enlist with the other intellects in the conservative circular firing squad.

50 posted on 08/21/2012 6:26:02 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

Haha. Denial


51 posted on 08/21/2012 6:31:13 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Jacquerie

Why would you want to go down with the ship with this guy? He’s intellectually bankrupt, who has no real accomplishments in the House (basically a back bencher for 12 years).

If this was an intellectual heavyweight/leader who made a verbal error, I’d be right with you. But this guy is not too bright (I listened to him on hannity) and is capable of taking down the entire party with him. The left is dying to tie the views of this guy to the entire Republican party.


52 posted on 08/21/2012 6:32:28 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Jacquerie
I don't know what your game is, but you are completely misguided when it comes to this Akin issue. Maybe you are one of his supporters in Missouri and just can't let go? At minimum, the guy made a gaffe so bad he can not recover in this environment. At worst, he actually believes in some dopey notion that women can't get pregnant via a rape. This Senate seat is more important than Akin. There are plenty of good, pro-life candidates we can sub in that give us a chance to win. Akin can not and will not win this seat now. There is a reason the McCaskill campaign sunk over a million bucks in the primary on his behalf trying to get him as their opponent. They knew there was a good chance he'd implode. The only problem for Claire is he might have done it too early.

Not every statement and/or candidate is worth defending. In politics you gotta be able to recongnize a losing hand when it's dealt. We don't have time to blow elections on bad candidates. We need to be putting our best people forward and Akin obviously isn't it. He needs to drop out for the good of the country and let someone else beat McCaskill. If he doesn't we will not take this seat. Period.

53 posted on 08/21/2012 6:33:27 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Jacquerie
There is no excuse for the ignorance and outright stupidity that Akin spewed from his own mouth. You cannot justify Akin's stupidity by comparing him to any Democrat. Stupid is as stupid does, independent of party affiliation.

Finally, anyone who calls for Biden's comments "put you back in chains" outrageous, but defends Akin needs a serious head examination. Preferably using an MRA and MRI to confirm the existence of a brain in their cranium.

54 posted on 08/21/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Cyber Liberty
You got caught in the frag pattern.

Contrast the Akin non-issue with a paragraph from David Schippers' book Sellout, about the Clinton Senate trial.

He described some rat Senators who told him they didn't care if an eyewitness caught BJ with smoking gun over a dead body, they would not vote to convict.

If we had only a tenth of their loyalty over the decades since, the dinosaur media wouldn't bother to exploit every conservative imperfection, and we wouldn't have supposed conservatives calling for Akin's scalp.

55 posted on 08/21/2012 6:40:47 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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This is all a pointless discussion. It’s up to the one person arrogant and foolhardy enough to think this can be papered over, so you will get your way: Akin will stay. The damage to the rest of the party will be huge, but who cares, we will have “stood by our guy, right or wrong,” just like the Democrats we abhor. Hey, it works for them, why not us, right?

Now, we WILL lose the chance to regain the Senate, that’s the one sure thing. We will probably lose more than that, but we’ll just have to wait and see. And start looking for somewhere else to live because this country is going to be impossible in a few years. All because of one stupid mistake by one politician who thinks standards of intelligence and preparedness don’t apply to him.

It’s not fair, but it’s how politics works. Akin has worked within this system for over a dozen years, and still thinks this was an OK thing to say.


56 posted on 08/21/2012 6:54:57 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Jacquerie
As a conservative I do not blindly support any other self described conservative. Unthinking devotion to a party regardless of principle is something I will leave to liberals.

In order for a conservative to earn the support of conservatives he better be espousing a conservative principle and he plainly wasn't. Why would honestly expect us to support him in his stupidity? It's akin (ha) to supporting Holder on F&F just because he's a liberal, regardless of how many died. As conservatives we decry this behavior but you are saying we should emulate it. I think I will stick with principle and that includes calling out a party member when he goes against those principles.

57 posted on 08/21/2012 6:55:05 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Jacquerie

It’s not a phony outrage. He said a real undisputably outrageous thing. Even he dosen’t disput that.

Outrage is the only decent reaction.


58 posted on 08/21/2012 7:03:19 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Jacquerie
You got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run....

Akin is an example of "run until your legs are ready to fall off"

59 posted on 08/21/2012 7:04:53 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Cyber Liberty

I agree with you. I DO think though he was speaking honestly (but I believe you were making a generality in stating we shouldn’t tolerate liars among conservatives). I also feel that he is intelligent.

The fact is, is that this was the worst timing ever for him. In a non-election year, he has time to do damage control and issue some better statements. Right now there is 2.5 months till election day and there is not enough time to do damage control. If he stays on, He will be pounded without mercy. And Dems always win with the short term issues. It’s when conservatives can make people think about the issues, that conservative ideals win out (rightfully so). There just isn’t enough time for damage control.


60 posted on 08/21/2012 7:07:00 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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