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The Truth About Cats: They're Good for Us
Discovery News ^ | 8-21-2012 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 08/23/2012 6:55:24 AM PDT by Renfield

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To: martin_fierro

Awww! She looks snug as a bug in a rug!


61 posted on 08/23/2012 1:41:11 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SkyDancer

Cat finished it.


62 posted on 08/23/2012 1:41:33 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: bgill

Sacrifice your pillowcase and put it in the cat box if you have one indoors. Otherwise place it where you expect Miss Kitty to do her business. Place Miss Kitty gently in the box or wherever you have placed the pillowcase.

Soak your pillow, and anything else with cat stain on it, in Nature’s Miracle Advanced Formula (get the gallon size).

Put the pillow and bedding back on the bed after they have dried, and shut the bedroom door.

My Rocket became incontinent during the last two days of his life before he died of kidney failure on August 4.

Of course I did not chastise him in any way. After he passed, with Nature’s Miracle, I treated his two pillows and the few places he spent the last of his time.

None of our other three cats has marked over his accidents at all. There is no smell, not even to the heightened senses of our remaining cats.

Best wishes teaching Miss Kitty where to go.


63 posted on 08/23/2012 3:25:23 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: KosmicKitty

LOL! I’ve done that, added an extra zero by accident.


64 posted on 08/23/2012 3:39:41 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Altariel; cuban leaf
Cats need something appropriate to scratch. It’s your job to teach them what is appropriate to scratch.

Exactly! CL, you got four kittehs to be "mousers" but then get rid of them cuz they scratched the outdoor furniture? How else are they supposed to sharpen and groom their mouse-catching claws? Double-sided tape would have worked along with directing them to an approved scratching post - they would have learned the difference within days. It is a natural behavior - part of BEING a kitteh! At least I hope you found good homes for them and did not send them to a kill shelter....please tell me you didn't.

65 posted on 08/23/2012 4:27:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Renfield
I KNOW our two kittehs have enhanced and enriched our lives. I can't imagine not having them with us.

Beaux and Stella

66 posted on 08/23/2012 4:32:14 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Yeah, we went, “DOH!” when we saw what they were doing.

People don’t do kill shelters with cats around here. We take care of it ourselves. Lots of property.

The guy I bought the property from is a young man with a young family including two daughters under the age of two. He is a missionary and that is why he sold the place. One day one of his 1 year old hunting dogs snapped at the 6 month old daughter. He got his hunting rifle, plugged it and threw the carcass into the holler from the edge of his yard. Problem solved.

There are not a lot of animal “rights” supporters in rural areas.

But regarding the cats, we gave them back to our neighbor (by neighbor, I mean they are about 400 yards from our property). They are “barn” cats there. “Nature” tends to take care of the “extra” ones at our neighbor’s house, be it Coyotes, Foxes or cars.


67 posted on 08/23/2012 6:19:03 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

A working animal is still an animal which has needs which must be accommodated.

You were more upset about the aesthetics of an inanimate object than you were the needs of a living creature.

Quality wicker furniture isn’t cheap, but a living animal is priceless-—the property of the Creator, and it is He, not you, who assigns it worth and value.

“We live in a rural area” is not an excuse for refusing to provide for the needs of working animals you take in.

You can tell a lot about a person’s character by the regard he gives the living souls—human or animal-—under his care. Such a one fears the One who made man and beast.


68 posted on 08/23/2012 8:24:51 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: cuban leaf
They are “barn” cats there. “Nature” tends to take care of the “extra” ones at our neighbor’s house, be it Coyotes, Foxes or cars.

Well, "nature" allows diseases like rabies to happen to coyotes, raccoons, foxes AND cats and dogs. I hope for their sake (outdoor cats and dogs) as well as the humans they may come in contact with are vaccinated against rabies and received booster shots as needed. I know being in a rural area is a lot different than suburban life, but, just as I feed the wild birds and squirrels and make sure they have fresh water all year long, we can all do more to help God's creatures enjoy a good quality of life if we can. You can tell a lot about a person by how he/she treats the least among them - this goes especially for animals.

69 posted on 08/23/2012 9:22:32 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: TheOldLady

I may try that. Every other brand we’ve used (for her and for previous cats) smells. She didn’t pee on the pillow the last two nights so may that’s the end of that for the time being. However, she uses her box about 50% of the time for pee and the carpet the other half. Nothing I’ve found cleans the carpet. She poops on the carpet 90% of the time. Yes, her box is cleaned daily and I’ve tried giving her two boxes but she wasn’t interested. She can’t go outside because she wanders off and gets lost. Our other cat, now deceased, used to bring her back home but now there’s no one to bring her back plus she would bring in live snakes so, yeah, she’s an inside cat now. I’ve told her if this peeing keeps up, she’ll be meeting the bbq grill!


70 posted on 08/24/2012 5:39:10 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Altariel

—A working animal is still an animal which has needs which must be accommodated.—

Yes. Though we have noanimal rights activists here, most of us are all over animal welfare. And these animals needs get met in the same way the needs of the Possums, Racoons, Coyotes, Turkey Buzzards, cattle, et al get met. God provides.

—Quality wicker furniture isn’t cheap, but a living animal is priceless-—the property of the Creator, and it is He, not you, who assigns it worth and value.—

Actuyally, no. Man is priceless because he was made in God’s image. Everything else can be described in these two words: Natural resource. All animals are walking meat. Many have other values as well, especially the ones that can be domesticated. We love our dog and our chickens and goats are like pets. We have no problem killing and eating the latter two, though. If we were Vietnamese, we’d have no problem killing the dog either.

—“We live in a rural area” is not an excuse for refusing to provide for the needs of working animals you take in.—

I strongly agree. Do not think we just abandon cats around here. They are much like our chickens and goats. That is, we do feed them but they get most of their food from their own God given ability. However, like chickens and goats, they are highly expendable. I pass as many dead cats and dogs on my 100 mile commute every day as I do racoons, possums and deer.

—You can tell a lot about a person’s character by the regard he gives the living souls—human or animal-—under his care. Such a one fears the One who made man and beast.—

What we have is simply a difference of opinion regarding animals vs humans. I call humans living souls. I call animals natural resources. Feel free to show me what the bible says about animals. I’ve studied it quite a bit. You can start with the scripture about muzzling the ox.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.


71 posted on 08/24/2012 5:58:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Altariel

—You were more upset about the aesthetics of an inanimate object than you were the needs of a living creature.—

I see all living creatures as “biological machines”. This includes animals, trees, bugs, viruses and humans. They are divided into two groups:

1. Human
2. Everything else, aka Natural Resource.

The cats and furniture are around for my bidding and for my pleasure just as I am here for God’s. I have the God given right to choose which brings the most pleasure for the amount of maintenance it requires. Since I’m not a big fan of cats, the decision was pretty easy. And let’s be clear here. I didn’t put on my evil devil mask and bring the cats into my dungeon and torture them night and day. I simply gave them back to the person who gave them to us.


72 posted on 08/24/2012 6:02:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Altariel

—You were more upset about the aesthetics of an inanimate object than you were the needs of a living creature.—

Also, I believe God made us stewards of His creation. When he says to be responsible with it, I see it in the same vein as saying “keep the oil changed in your car and your roof and siding on your house in good repair. It is not about “worshiping life”. It is about managing natural resources and preserving the environment as its steward.


73 posted on 08/24/2012 6:04:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: boatbums

We don’t do vets. Our dog got his shots. If one of the animals gets sick we will put it down. With a rifle. Painless and humane.

BTW, I feel a bit guilty feeding wild animals because they can come to depend on it. We have upwards of 25 humming birds at one time feeding from our feeders. But in the winter they disappear. We are hoping it is because they are migrating.


74 posted on 08/24/2012 6:07:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: boatbums

—You can tell a lot about a person by how he/she treats the least among them - this goes especially for animals.—

This seems to be a meme with a lot of people. It is not necessarily true. Some people see animals as almost human. Others see them, as I do, like a natural resource.

I think your comment does apply to a member of the former group who seems to take poor care of his animals. But if a member of the latter group does, he is more like a person who doesn’t take care of his car or keep his home maintained.

And who is to say which of the two positions on the value of animals is correct. It’s why I don’t believe either group should judge the other. Some people love their cars and look down on people that don’t wash their cars weekly. Meh...


75 posted on 08/24/2012 6:10:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

You failed to steward His creation.

His feline creation requires an acceptable place for claw-sharpening. You neglected to provide that, and, reacting to the destruction of inanimate objects, treated His creation as disposable.

That isn’t Godly stewardship.

The treatment of animals as disposable precedes the treatment of humans as disposable. In every society.

Your attitude (”their behavior is inconvenient and unwanted”) is the same attitude shared by those who treat people as disposable.

But the lie is the same, regardless of the object.


76 posted on 08/24/2012 6:48:19 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: cuban leaf

No, living animals are not around for your “pleasure”.

A stewards job is not to use resources for his pleasure but to *take care of his Master’s possessions*.

The Master gave you several cats to look after and provide for their needs.

What you told Him by your actions is “This task isn’t convenient for me, Lord. They scratched MY furniture and I can’t have THAT”.

Which is a very, very revealing attitude about your true opinion about His creation and His possessions.

You are advocating for Poor stewardship.

The attitude “this is for ME to USE” is one borne out of selfishness, not stewardship.

The attitude “this has been entrusted into my care, and I will be held to account for it one day” is an attitude of stewardship.

I wouldn’t use “stewardship” to attempt to justify your selfishness or misplaced love of inanimate objects any longer if I were you.


77 posted on 08/24/2012 6:55:56 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Silentgypsy

My husband was not an “pet person”, either. The first time he visited my place, my cat checked him out for a few minutes, then jumped on his lap and settled in. It was loooove. That created a monster. Now we have 7-1/2 cats. The “1/2 cat” is a feral who lives on our property and who is the mother of three babies we rescued from racoons and coyotes. (We did TNR on the mother to assure no more babies.) The seven indoor cats get along well (generally), and we’ve been lucky with no bathroom issues, health problems, etc. (knock wood here)

I would like to know if anyone has advice about how to keep them off kitchen counters. THAT makes me crazy!


78 posted on 08/24/2012 6:56:49 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("When America ceases to be good, she'll cease to be great!” - de Tocqueville)
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To: Altariel

—You failed to steward His creation.

His feline creation requires an acceptable place for claw-sharpening. You neglected to provide that, and, reacting to the destruction of inanimate objects, treated His creation as disposable.—

Nope. We have trees. We could have declawed them as well. If they were important to us, there is a lot we could have done. We gave them back to the folks that gave them to us. We fed and watered them the few days they were there.

Judge not lest ye be judged.


79 posted on 08/24/2012 7:01:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Altariel

—The treatment of animals as disposable precedes the treatment of humans as disposable. In every society.—

That is like saying “eating and drinking by the perp precedes the rape he commits. In every case”

How do you think most civilizations have treated animals throughout history? What do you think Christianity teaches about the treatment of animals? Civilization has learned to take care of animals for the same reason we take care of all our “stuff”. Do you think ranchers take care of their animals and get them shots, etc. for the animal’s sake. No. It is literally for the same reason they change the oil in their machinery: To ensure their investment does not lose value.

I understand you have an opinion on this, but opinions vary.

Judge not lest ye be judged.


80 posted on 08/24/2012 7:05:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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