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Unearthed audio: Obama calls newborn baby a ‘fetus outside of the womb’
LSN ^ | 8.24.2012 | John Jalsevac

Posted on 08/24/2012 5:36:58 PM PDT by Morgana

Did Obama vote in favor infanticide? Pro-life activists have long made the argument that he did, and that a conspiracy of silence from the mainstream media is the only thing that has prevented Americans from knowing the full extent of Obama’s extreme views on the abortion issue.

Now, newly unearthed audio from 2002 shows Barack Obama, then a state senator in Illinois, discussing the bill that has elicited charges that he voted to allow “infanticide”: the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA).

The bill was introduced after pro-life nurse Jill Stanek witnessed babies being born alive after failed abortions, then being brought to a room in the hospital where she worked and left to die. The legislation, which ultimately passed, mandated that doctors must provide care to babies born alive after failed abortions.

However, one of the most ardent opponents of the bill, who repeatedly voted against it, was now-President Barack Obama. In audio dug up this week by John McCormack of The Weekly Standard, then-Senator Obama is heard attempting to explain his opposition to the bill.

While his explanations are extremely convoluted and difficult to quote, the thrust of Obama’s argument is that he trusts that abortionists who make “an error” that results in a baby being born alive will take care of the baby.

Obama says that if you argue that an abortionist wouldn’t try “to exercise the sort of medical measures and practices that would be involved in saving that child” of his own accord, then “maybe this bill makes sense” (notice the “maybe”!). But he adds, “I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they’re looked after.”

Of course, the obvious response to Obama’s paper-thin objection is to point to the clear evidence that, in fact, abortionists were not providing such care. Babies were being killed - not quickly or mercifully, but by being left exposed, without food or water, to die. And, after all, what motivation would an abortionist, who was moments ago seeking to kill the baby, have to save the life of the same baby, especially when doing so would only expose the fact that he screwed up?

But in one turn of phrase that is extremely revealing Obama attempts to describe the purpose of the bill, and says that the “fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the womb.”

One of the great doctrines of the pro-abortion movement, of course, is that as long as the baby is in the mother’s womb, it is a “ fetus,” but then at the moment of birth, it magically transforms into a “baby.” Except, perhaps (as Obama’s indifference to terminology illustrates) if that baby was supposed to be dead, and was only born by “mistake” – in which case, it’s much more convenient to continue labeling it with the dehumanizing term “fetus.”

Whether or not you take Obama’s slip of the tongue as evidence of his support for infanticide, what is certain is that Obama, his campaign, and the media have deliberately hushed up his record on the Born Alive bill.

Since making his presidential run Obama has claimed that he “would have” voted for BAIPA if it had included a clause found in a federal version of the bill that stated the bill would have no effect on legal abortion. The only problem: Obama was presented with a state version that did have that clause, and he still voted against it. In fact, Obama presided as the chair at a committee meeting where the clause was inserted into the bill. Almost immediately after it was inserted, he voted to kill the bill.

Obama did this at a time when even NARAL - one of the most extreme pro-abortion organizations in the country - had withdrawn its opposition to the federal version of the bill.

Even if you argue that Obama didn’t explicitly support infanticide, the fact is that he was so concerned about protecting abortion that he would turn a blind eye to infanticide in an effort to make sure that doctors could kill unborn babies up until the last minute possible.

If that’s not extreme, what is?

Here is a transcript of Obama’s remarks on BAIPA:

OBAMA: I just want to be clear because I think this was the source of the objections of the Medical Society. As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child – however way you want to describe it – is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there’s, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just out limp and dead, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved. Is that correct?

OBAMA: Let me just go to the bill, very quickly. Essentially, I think, as — as this emerged during debate and during committee, the only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made an assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, lets say for the purposes of the mother’s health, is being — that — that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, or she made an error, and, in fact, that that physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical measures and practices that would be involved in saving that child. Now, if — if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I — I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects as well that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations and that, essentially, adding a — an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. Now, if that’s the case – and –and I know that some of us feel very strongly one way or another on that issue – that’s fine, but I think it’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if these children are being born alive, I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they’re looked after. Thank you, Mr. President.”


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 2002; abortion; babykillers; baipa; botchedabortion; bungledabortion; infanticide; jillstanek; moralabsolutes; obama; prolife; stanek; women

1 posted on 08/24/2012 5:37:08 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Hmmm... when does the GOP Convention start?

I think my next few hundred Tweets are going to focus on Obama’s Infanticide and Oil/Gas Prices


2 posted on 08/24/2012 5:39:34 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: Morgana

There is no way he’s gonna wash the blood of those babies off his hands.

But then, he just laughs it off when he’s called on it. So be it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gReFs5UOBuo

He grins when the heckler tells him he’s “guilty of innocent blood”.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 5:42:31 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Morgana
The GOP needs to get this into a commercial, using Obomas own words. Normal women would be appalled at what Oboma wants doctors to do to those newborns. They'd freak.
4 posted on 08/24/2012 5:51:43 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Morgana

Too wordy for a sound bite


5 posted on 08/24/2012 5:54:54 PM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: Morgana

Very sad
Obama Live Birth Abortion Induced Labor Abortions 2008
http://youtu.be/NVNjrATbA20


6 posted on 08/24/2012 6:01:04 PM PDT by sunny48
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To: Morgana

I guess we don’t have to see his school records to know he flunked biology.


7 posted on 08/24/2012 6:29:25 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: F15Eagle

Sounds very much like the way the devil would react. 0bama is pure evil!


8 posted on 08/24/2012 6:31:25 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: Morgana

Bet this doesn’t stir up as much outrage on FR as Akin’s comment did.


9 posted on 08/24/2012 6:32:25 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Wasnt this an issue here during Obama’s election?

The sound bite is new but I remember his stammering and searching for the right words to say on this. I’ve read it before. (I think)


10 posted on 08/24/2012 6:43:53 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: F15Eagle
There is no way he’s gonna wash the blood of those babies off his hands.

But then, he just laughs it off when he’s called on it. So be it.


Imagine the moment he arrives in front of The LORD’s throne of judgment... We ought to pray that he has an awakening.

11 posted on 08/24/2012 6:46:41 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: skeeter
Bet this doesn’t stir up as much outrage on FR as Akin’s comment did.

Yours is a very perceptive observation. Actually, much of this was already known to Free Republic in 2008. We had the testimony of the nurse who described the death of babies who were the product of botched abortions.

Most of the communist affiliations of Barack Obama were well-known by us in 2008. Now, only when the People's pocketbooks have been emptied by Obama's policies do we find that the truth about Obama gains traction.

In 2008 Free Republic was way ahead of the national curve in its understanding of Barack Obama. But the freshly minted indignation of the people against Obama which is spawned primarily by their parochial financial interests tells us much about how and why the politics of the nation has got us to the point where we could elect a Barack Obama and where we find half the people dependent on the government to some degree.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 6:48:18 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Morgana
"Fetus" is an OK word.

It's Latin for a baby in the womb and not a synonym for "something that is OK to kill".

13 posted on 08/24/2012 7:13:41 PM PDT by Salman
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To: Morgana

14 posted on 08/24/2012 7:24:54 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

You nailed it, these words are from Satan. Who else would want one dead baby, never mind the 50 MILLION BABIES KILLED IN THIS COUNTRY.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 7:51:39 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: skeeter

Bet this doesn’t stir up as much outrage on FR as Akin’s comment did.

Well, you know, it shouldn’t. Many of us have known about this for a few years. Video isn’t all that makes it so.

Who knows—if FReepers aren’t aware of this, there’s a better than even chance the general public doesn’t know about it either. Could this be a comeback for Akin?


16 posted on 08/24/2012 8:38:20 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: rawcatslyentist

I stumbled upon the audio earlier and was shocked. That cartoon is just too true.


17 posted on 08/24/2012 8:43:13 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 72 days away.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Yes, I agree completely.


18 posted on 08/24/2012 9:00:11 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: skeeter
>”Bet this doesn’t stir up as much outrage on FR as Akin’s comment did”<

Most here already know Obama’s record. Outrage towards Akin is because his gross stupidity has put the Republican takeover of the United States Senate in jeopardy, thus insuring the full implementation of Obamacare and the fiscal demise of the Country.

Informed people aren't outraged by the actions of those they expect such behavior from, they warn others of it.

I'm not sure what your point is.

19 posted on 08/24/2012 9:00:31 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

First Psalm 109:8 and yeah I’ll pray for his Salvation. He needs to turn from this evil for sure.


20 posted on 08/24/2012 9:13:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Morgana

21 posted on 08/25/2012 12:38:43 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Morgana

In other words, if it’s not a “legitimate baby”, then let it die?

Creep.


22 posted on 08/25/2012 12:41:52 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmark


23 posted on 08/25/2012 12:42:55 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: skeeter

>> Bet this doesn’t stir up as much outrage on FR as Akin’s comment did.

No, of course it won’t. Such outrage requires some motivation from Leftwing Media, the GOP, and the talkers.


24 posted on 08/25/2012 12:44:45 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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