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To: jessduntno; varyouga
“It didn’t happen overnight, but through small increments. I am seeing the same incremental things in the USA today.”

No you aren’t.

Really? So you can openly take your firearms to your city hall meetings, or the state capitol buildings? Or to schools? How about court?
ALL of the above were common in the early days of the republic, some of those as late as 50 or 60 years ago... are they still the case?

Indeed, in the case of guns, let us examine the law. Let us take New Mexico as our case of study:

NM Constitution, Art II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]

No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.

Now, let us examine a law:

NMSA 30-7-2.4. Unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises; notice; penalty. A.   Unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises consists of carrying a firearm on university premises except by:
(1)   a peace officer;
(2)   university security personnel;
(3)   a student, instructor or other university-authorized personnel who are engaged in army, navy, marine corps or air force reserve officer training corps programs or a state-authorized hunter safety training program;
(4)   a person conducting or participating in a university-approved program, class or other activity involving the carrying of a firearm; or
(5)   a person older than nineteen years of age on university premises in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance, for lawful protection of the person's or another's person or property.
B.   A university shall conspicuously post notices on university premises that state that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on university premises.
C.   As used in this section:
(1)   "university" means a baccalaureate degree-granting post-secondary educational institution, a community college, a branch community college, a technical-vocational institute and an area vocational school; and
(2)   "university premises" means:
(a)   the buildings and grounds of a university, including playing fields and parking areas of a university, in or on which university or university-related activities are conducted; or
(b)   any other public buildings or grounds, including playing fields and parking areas that are not university property, in or on which university-related and sanctioned activities are performed.
D.   Whoever commits unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

It is obvious that this law is abridging the right of the citizen to bear arms on universities; indeed as worded it can even prohibit the keeping them, as they cannot legitimately be kept in student housing, which falls under the buildings covered by this statute.

Interestingly, when one tries to challenge this law they are either redirected (AG says to call the state representative or the supreme court, the supreme court says to call a lawyer, the representative says to call the AG, etc.) despite the standard thought in jurisprudence that the [legitimate] law cannot contradict itself; further, other contra-constitutional restrictions [such as firearms in courthouses] are used as excuses/justification for the infringing law's existence.

Now, quick question: what happens when you violate one of these invalid laws? Who responds and why?

102 posted on 09/05/2012 11:19:32 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; jessduntno
Thank You. That's just one of thousands of ways they are slowly taking our rights.

When US citizens within the US start knowingly disappearing in the night, it's already too late by then.

The CIA has been “disappearing” people abroad to secret prisons without charges, warrants, etc for a long time and holding them without trial. Read about the prisoner rendition programs.

I have no doubts that they also “disappear” inconvenient US citizens that don't have much family/friends to look for them.

110 posted on 09/05/2012 1:35:55 PM PDT by varyouga
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