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To: Springfield Reformer

for the first few hundred years of Christendom, Jesus was NOT seen as God...because anyone with any sense could see he served his Father. What dummies..... : )


25 posted on 09/17/2012 8:44:12 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian; Springfield Reformer

>> “for the first few hundred years of Christendom, Jesus was NOT seen as God.” <<

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What an ignorant lie!

Jesus said plainly “I and the Father are ONE.”

And, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”


27 posted on 09/17/2012 8:56:09 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fabian

>What dummies<

Why is ignorant is the idea that to be subject to someones disallows them as being of the same nature, which would renders wives to be subhuman due to being in subjection to their husbands, which is patterned after the order of the Godhead. (1Cor. 11:3)

And which also reveals how “one” in Scripture can refer to a composite unity. As it is God said “Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness,” (Gn. 1:26; cf. 11:6; Is. 6:10) and man has a body, soul and spirit. (1Ths. 5:23)

That Jesus is ontologically one (having the same Divine nature), wit uniquely Divine titles, attributes and glory being attributed to Him is what Scripture reveals. Again, see http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/DEITYofCHRIST.html


28 posted on 09/17/2012 8:57:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute actual sinner, + trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fabian
for the first few hundred years of Christendom, Jesus was NOT seen as God...because anyone with any sense could see he served his Father. What dummies..... : )

That is not the view of the Apostles. John wrote - 1:1 . . the Word was with God andthe Word was God

Paul wrote in Titus 2:13 ". . . our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"

Anyone with any biblical sense can see your view is bunk.

31 posted on 09/17/2012 9:28:33 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: fabian

Well, I think John the Apostle, who was a contemporary of Jesus, went out of his way to make sure people understood Jesus was an uncreated being who was rightly considered God:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Please note this is well supported by both the Greek and the historical circumstances of the writing of John, who directed considerable effort to dispelling the early heresy of the Gnostics, who viewed Christ as an intermediate deity in the “eternal progression,” the great gulf that separated the perfection of the Unknowable Spirit from evil materiality. No room for an uncreated being in that motley crew of so-called lesser deities.

John’s statement in these and many other places make it easy to understand why the very first generation of Christians fell into believing in Jesus as God in the flesh. Don’t blame the Babylonians or the Mithraists for this. Blame the Holy Spirit of God, who Himself caused these words to be written, knowing full well any decent student of the Greek would have no honest choice but to believe that john was teaching the full deity of Jesus Christ.

Peace,

SR


32 posted on 09/17/2012 10:42:50 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: fabian
for the first few hundred years of Christendom, Jesus was NOT seen as God...because anyone with any sense could see he served his Father. What dummies..... : )

And you are misrepresenting the Christian faith in a bad way! If this is the kind of "theology" Masters is teaching his followers, he is leading them down the wide path to hell - get out while you can. Jesus was ALWAYS seen as Almighty God in the flesh and the New Testament is FULL of passages that prove it!

40 posted on 09/17/2012 3:09:43 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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