Posted on 09/24/2012 2:11:28 PM PDT by Ken H
ST. CLOUD, Minn. (WCCO) - A 20-year-old St. Cloud man has died from injuries sustained after being punched by an unknown attacker.
According to St. Cloud Police, Colton Ryan Gleason was in an alleyway between 8th and 9th Avenues South. The victim was walking south with a group of friends when a four-door, mid-to-full-size passenger car, which was driving north up the alley, stopped. One of the occupants got out of the car and punched Gleason.
” the poor young guy assumed he was safe. God bless him, he was an innocent, for sure.”
Problem is, a guy that young, and probably from a good home, is not likely to see the potential for danger. The scumbag attacker probably played on this.
That was the m.o. in a similar incident in NJ.
The perps in that case were never caught, although some pretty clear images of them turned up on a convenience store's surveillance camera.
Oh, and btw: The perps were wearing hoodies.
My style is probably different from what most people are familiar with...I found this YouTube video, that comes closest to the theory behind it: ShaolinDoubleTigerClaw
I started in kenpo in the 70's, then studied taoist huquan (tiger kung fu) starting '89 or so, changed my thinking completely.
Even if you're CCW any MA training makes you more sensitive, think sharper, move better. Many YMCA's have judo classes, and that's a cheap way to get your exercise, and get used to the laying on of hands and thinking and moving fast. My .02c
Walking while white?
Just another bit of Obama “justice.”
"Problem is, if you drop the first guy, his buddies will swarm you."
That's because 10 feet is way too close. There is a 21 foot rule:
Originating from research by Salt Lake City trainer Dennis Tueller and popularized by the Street Survival Seminar and the seminal instructional video "Surviving Edged Weapons," the "rule" states that in the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet.
Further in the article the author explains that this distance is not sufficient today and should be increased.
To illustrate, I took a training where, among other things, we learned to draw, fire and hit the target just under 2 seconds. My holster for 9mm is Safariland 6280; it's a rigid one, allowing to draw as fast as you can; I think a concealed carry holster would be slower to draw from. (In this county CCW is a myth, so I don't own any CC equipment.)
In tests "Even the slowest subject "lumbered" through this distance in just 2.5 seconds" - this means that the suspect can be upon you before you have a chance to do anything. Firing a weapon is the fastest, but perhaps you had other actions in mind - using a knife, blocking the strike with something, stepping aside, turning and running... there will be no time for any of that. The 10 feet is so much inadequate that the guy can simply throw a stone and hit you accurately in the head.
If the attacker is armed with a firearm the extra distance also gives you a benefit. Handguns are not easy weapons for an untrained person; the more distance separates you and him the better your chances become. That also gives you time to deal with multiple attackers. Even if you fire 2 rounds per second - which is half of what a trained person does - you will take four attackers down before they reach you. Such losses would be catastrophic even for a psychologically prepared military detachment. Most thugs, hopefully, will not play this version of the game - unless they are on drugs.
Fortunately, South Bay area (San Francisco to San Jose) is relatively safe. Lack of CCW is balanced by that fact, as long as you don't need anything in Oakland. But things may change at any time.
I was just kidding around with you but I do appreciate the serious reply. If you do put up a site like that please ping me to the announcement.
No bacon? :(
Wish I knew that back in '72 when I got my first unprovoked black eye.
“Problem is, if you drop the first guy, his buddies will swarm you. And if you are walking home from a bar, you probably are not carrying a gun, anyway.”
Cripes. If they swarmed, what would happen? I’d get hurt? This poor kid is dead.
“The 10 feet is so much inadequate that the guy can simply throw a stone and hit you accurately in the head.”
I guess we disagree. 10 feet away will give time to take a personal protective stance, unless they are running (which is what I believe they are making allowance for above, when they say “charging”) in which case, obviously, they don’t need to be warned...they need to be stopped, because no one stranger will jump from a car and run at you without what a cautious person would construe as malicious intent.
I attended the U of Minnesota in Minneapolis. I was walking from campus to my student apartment. This was in 2003. An African American man sucker punched one of my neighbors and fellow students, and broke his jaw, for no apparent reason. It was happened just one or two minutes after I passed that exact point. I never walked around alone again in that area, I would catch up to groups heading to the building or wait up for friends.
If George Zimmerman ever gets his time in court he probably will testify to the circumstances of the confrontation. This would be very relevant to this discussion. If GZ had two seconds to counter the attack he would have pointed the gun at the attacker, and most likely TM would have deescalated the conflict in a very short time. (TM was not a stranger to drugs, but at that time he is not reported to be entirely out of his mind.)
Fricking amazing that this grand country has huge swaths across it where no white person can walk without fearing for his/her life.
I live in the largely rural west and there just isn’t any room for this kind of crap. But it seems to me folks in good places where it is now happening have to band together in neighborhood monitoring and even street protection militia-type groups. At the very least individual citizens have to do everything they can to carry a weapon legally.
Living in terror—in America!—has got to end.
Another victim of the knockout game.
These animals live for the sucker punch. You MUST recognize this. If one advances on you, he IS going to hit you. And if he doesn’t kill you outright, his mission is to get you knocked down so he and his crew can kick hell out of you while you are on the ground. They WILL stomp you to death. Your life has no meaning to them. They kill each other who ate the last of the dark meat turkey, or the last Rally burger, or whether a cut of meat is a pork steak or pork chop. (All murders here in St. Louis).
Once they advance on you, you MUST be prepared to deal with them, one hand up in front of you to protect your brain, the other reaching for you CCW. If you don’t have a CCW, then you better run or otherwise exit quickly. If you strap on one of them, you strap on all of them, including strangers to the first assailant. Again, they WILL kill you, and there will be precious few witnesses who will cooperate with the police to get justice for you. Any cooperation will be in exchange for money or other judicial favors but definitely not because it was the right thing to or that they sympathize with your plight.
Remember, you cannot be expected to fist fight with more than one person and that is if you are the same gender, and roughly the same age, size and physical ability. Multiple assailants is cause for deadly force and these morons routinely provide the evidence your attorney could present in court on why you felt the need to use deadly force. They even film and narrate it for you.
Be aware of who has the great potential to victimize you, arm yourself and understand your limitations. Self-talk what you are going to do if and when the situation comes up. When it does, you will have already rehearsed your response.
Based on what I’ve seen with comments on stories like this from all over the country over several years, there are a lot of people everywhere who A) know what is happening out there and B) are beyond sick and tired of it. All this despite the lying-by-omission from the media.
Welcome aboard, Tuanedge.
Very interesting post. Good work.
AAMOF my last altercation would apply to sucker punch defense strategy... the pill head came to our barbeque and started going nuts on somebody, and I stepped in between, no warning, looping round house out of nowhere
I have an idle yahoo group to post videos on, I’ll see if a couple of my friends consent to being ambushed to helping me make vid#1 instinctive defense to the punch that comes out of nowhere
I’ll try to expedite... Be prepared to see a fat man dance
Woops...meant to send that to “All”...Yo! All! LOL
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