But if a person only knows U.S. hunting cartridges, then using the .308 (closer in size) and .30-06 as references would be a logical comparison for them, for size and performance.
Posted on 09/27/2012 3:01:36 PM PDT by dynachrome
30-06 is a long case .30 caliber as compared to the M1 carbine or the .308 which is short action. 7.62 x 54R is a long case is also .30 caliber. While obviously not the same there are enough similarities. When educating others, it is best to start with something that they know (30-06) and make a comparison.
Thus to frame the conversation to someone who knows the American / British weapons, letting someone know that it is the Russian version of the 30-06 is a valid description. No one ever said that the 30-06 predated the 7.62 x 54R.
Most MN are not too heavy for men, can be heavy for women. Yes you can do a lot to trick out the MN. There is even an outfit that sells a bullpup replacement stock.
The 7.62x54R is similar to the .30-06, but perhaps not any more so than to any other .30-.32 cartridge of the day.
30-06 = 150 @2,700, or 172 @ 2,640.
7.9x57 Mauser = 154 @ 2,835.
7.62x54R = 147 @ 2,886
.303 British = 175 @ 2,440.
7.7x58 Ariska = 175 @ 2,400.
I get your purpose and point taken, its just a pet peeve of mine to see MNs listed on Gunbroker as “The Russian .30-06”. They probably just mean “similar too” as well, so perhaps I should stop being such a purist and get over myself on the issue.
The Finn stocked 1891s are very beefy and heavy guns. Even the Finn 91/38 is much heavier than the Russian 91/30s. The Finns were probably much beefier too though.
Well, like the 7.62 x 54R, the 30.06 shoots a 7.62 round. The 30.06 shoots essentially the same weight bullet at essentially the same velocity as the 7.62 x 54R. It does so from a case about 54 mm in length. But it is not a rimmed case. So you find it sloppy to call it the "Russian 30.06"?
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Well I do yes. Probably because I take a historical connotation in the description, and the historical link is not there. As I pointed out earlier, one can compare the ballistics of almost all .30-.32 cal medium to long case cartridges and declare them "the same" if a difference of a few hundred fps doesn't bug you. To say they are similar can be useful as a frame of reference. Getting back to the Russians, the Soviets flat out copied many things, like the B-29. Thus, that is what I'm thinking when I hear "Russian .30-06". To a neophyte, I might describe it as a .30 cal rimmed case, with a length between that of an -06 and a .308. But that's just me. Depending on their level of knowledge, I might also say its a shiny thing that goes bang. :-)
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