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PC market collapses ahead of Windows 8 launch
Beta News ^ | 10/11/2012 | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 10/11/2012 3:00:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: PJ-Comix

My wife is trying hard to get us to buy one for family photos and videos. I on the other hand would just rather buy a laptop or MacBook. Desktops are dead to me.


41 posted on 10/12/2012 6:38:54 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: PJ-Comix

Yes, most of this depends on what you need. If you need the CPU power for whatever application you are using, then usually a desktop is still the only way to go.

My wife insists on having a desktop, as she finds laptop gaming unacceptable. She only uses the laptop for travel, etc. I have an i7 laptop with a SSD but I still use a desktop with a nice 24” IPS monitor an i7 CPU for video editing & encoding.


42 posted on 10/12/2012 6:41:32 AM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: SeekAndFind
I see the abnormal lack of demand as another symptom of the bad economy, nothing more.

I can speak from experience when I say that PC hardware refresh cycles get extended when money is tight. Businesses judge that a four-year-old PC is good enough for now, so they aren't going to replace it yet. Besides, most businesses are ignoring Win8 just like they did Vista.

We've seen this same kind of market softness before, and a good economy always brings demand back. Tablets are part of the equation, but there aren't many users who are actually replacing a desktop with one.

43 posted on 10/12/2012 7:05:55 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I think I suffer from computer hoarding. I’m ashamed to list all the hardware I have in the home, from tower to webbook and everything in between.

LOL you sound like me. While my office has a new i7 gaming rig and I have a laptop and tablet for work, my attic could double as a Desktop PC museum. I have everything I have ever had, beginning with a Commodore 64, 128, Trash 80, Amiga 500, Zenith, and on through all the desktop itterations from 8088 through current.

44 posted on 10/12/2012 7:13:26 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: PJ-Comix
A lot of people have moved to laptops, even me, but it was a difficult choice. I like having two large monitors, a ton of memory, extra disks, etc just because of how I use my systems.

Two weeks ago I removed the disks from and recycled 7 towers. I still have 3 or 4 towers because I can't completely break from towers. I'll probably always have a tower system for something.

45 posted on 10/12/2012 9:30:52 AM PDT by scripter
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To: TChris
I see the abnormal lack of demand as another symptom of the bad economy, nothing more.

I think that's a large part of it. Another aspect is that more and more folks who only use computers for web and email are going to tablets and smartphones instead of desktops and laptops. "Pro" users still need full-fledged computers, but "content consumers" are going with lighter weight options.

46 posted on 10/12/2012 9:36:31 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: commish
C64? Amiga? OMG, you are far worse than I am! :-)

I used to have a phone number that ended in 8087 and I thought that was cool but none of my friends really got it.

47 posted on 10/12/2012 9:41:03 AM PDT by scripter
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To: PJ-Comix
Just curious but does anybody still buy tower computers nowadays?

Sure. I have both desktops and a couple of laptops - different tools for different purposes.

For me it's all about i/o: the full-size keyboard, custom mouse, and large-screen displays I have on my workstations. I spend a LOT of time at a computer and so even a small difference in usability makes a huge difference in stamina.

Superior graphics from large, dedicated cards is another reason, and so is the ability to swap new gadgets in and out. Not everybody has those requirements, and if an iPad matches theirs I say more power to 'em. I have a tiny Netbook specifically for travel - there the advantage of portability justifies the extra effort in i/o. Tools for jobs.

48 posted on 10/12/2012 10:29:51 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Inyo-Mono

You got enough electricity to drive that ....no brown outs ever?


49 posted on 10/12/2012 12:14:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Inyo-Mono

For the most part, Avid works pretty well on my i3. 90% of what I do most of it isn’t necessary. The correction and adjustment tools work rather well. I played with Premiere but wasn’t in love with it. If I ever get another mac, I will try out Final Cut.

The bulk of what video and editing I do go to the two stock agencies I deal with. Every now and then I make a few bucks. It is a good feeling when someone out there (no idea) buys something I made.

I have some ideas for something for Youtube ads that might generate a few bucks or go absolutely nowhere. Finding good model talent in the midlands of SC is not easy. Too many freaks, wackos, nuts, crazies, immatures, and chubbies. Too many here do CL and other stuff for TFP, I offer paying gigs that can be negoitated and what I have in mind is G/PG rated for the most part.

http://footage.shutterstock.com/search/?contributor_id=64505

http://us.fotolia.com/p/201245571?order=popularity

Other stuff is in Smugmug.

http://tysonneil.smugmug.com/


50 posted on 10/12/2012 12:19:51 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Yes,...I have multiple and a 4X KVM switch to share a 27' monitor, speakers, mouse and keyboard.

But am looking seriously at his case:

COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Room to work inside it and :

Steel ATX Full Tower


51 posted on 10/12/2012 12:29:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: PJ-Comix
Maybe this processor:

AMD Opteron 6272 Interlagos 2.1GHz 16MB L3 Cache Socket G34 115W 16-Core Server Processor

and a possible motherboard:

SUPERMICRO MBD-H8SGL-F-O ATX Server Motherboard Socket G34 AMD SR5650 DDR3 1333

Run Linux on it....should be a decent Browser Machine....should have some staying power and enough engines to keep javascript from taking over the serious browsing.

Might need a raid card so I can get more of my HSS's in there.

52 posted on 10/12/2012 12:50:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: PJ-Comix
Here is a guy getting really serious ....does Folding app:

www.hardwarecanucks.com

I think the motherboard might need a bigger case than what I would want.

48 cores working.


53 posted on 10/12/2012 1:05:33 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: scripter

Ah ha! So you are the guy who was hoarding those FPU chips I needed when I was running my spreadsheets! I’ve been hunting for you for decades...


54 posted on 10/12/2012 3:18:41 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: PJ-Comix

>.Just curious but does anybody still buy tower computers nowadays?

Gamers and people who need serious, serious computing power. Like doing 3D engineering analysis of various kinds, maybe really complex financial models, that sort of thing.


55 posted on 10/12/2012 3:29:05 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: TChris

>>Besides, most businesses are ignoring Win8 just like they did Vista.

There are good reasons for that. Win7 + Office 2010 is pretty darn good on anything close to decent hardware. Win8 threatens to be a high learning curve “upgrade” for the user base.

Why jump right in when what you have works fine and the “upgrade” has dubious benefits?


56 posted on 10/12/2012 3:34:32 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Win8 threatens to be a high learning curve “upgrade” for the user base.

Personally I'm tired of Microsoft's upgrade of the year to line their pockets constantly.

I just yesterday got my new laptop. AMD Quad-core with 6 gig of ram and half a tera of main drive.

Replacing a quadcore desktop that's just gotten tired of having to anchor myself to it day in and day out.

Got a tablet but don't hardly use it. Can't run exe's on it and I need a programming system so it's not worth very much to me.

Replacing a 1 yr old

57 posted on 10/13/2012 3:06:59 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
And I expect this one to take me the next 5 years. Wife gets my old laptop so we're probably out of the computer market for years into the future. I'm tired of jumping at the next bright and shiny object.

Software is another subject though. But hardware? naaah. we're set.

58 posted on 10/13/2012 3:09:58 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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To: PJ-Comix

Yes for the workers and for work and secure information.

There is too much liability in puting company data on other people’s servers (aka the cloud for those in rio linda)


59 posted on 10/15/2012 7:49:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: FreedomPoster
Why jump right in when what you have works fine and the “upgrade” has dubious benefits?

Exactly.

60 posted on 10/15/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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