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Researchers look beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory
Phys Org ^ | October 28, 2012

Posted on 10/28/2012 8:50:13 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

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To: dr_lew
How far off is my answer compared to yours? In miles? More than an order of magnitude? ;)

/johnny

41 posted on 10/28/2012 11:48:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)

To: JRandomFreeper

You didn’t give an answer. How could you have? You never addressed the question. The question relates to the deviation of the earths orbit from a circle, as characterized by its eccentricity. You never got anywhere near this.

You provided a formula for the width of a 0.5mm pencil line forming an 8” circle scaled up to the size of earth’s orbit. You considered no information about the shape of this orbit.

“Trust me, I know what I’m doing.”

I was a physics TA! ... back in the day.

42 posted on 10/29/2012 12:03:09 AM PDT by dr_lew

To: dr_lew
How wide is a pencil mark depicting the orbit of Terra on a sheet of 8 1/2 x 11" piece of paper, scaled to size? How does that compare to the actual orbit of Terra?

Physics TA... is a circle an ellipse?

Cooks know the answer to that question.

/johnny

43 posted on 10/29/2012 12:12:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)

To: JRandomFreeper

But the question is, granting that the earth’s orbit is an ellipse, how close is it to a circle? I’m saying that it is so close that it would, to scale, easily fit within an 8” diameter circle formed by an 0.5mm pencil line. OK?

44 posted on 10/29/2012 12:37:29 AM PDT by dr_lew

To: dr_lew
Absolutely agree. With lotsa, lotsa room.

/johnny

45 posted on 10/29/2012 12:42:16 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)

To: James C. Bennett

The shallowness of your atheistic closed mind is stunning - almost numbing - in your inability to think outside the box. Transcendent is the concept you miss. If you reject it, reject away, but your arguments made no sense whatsoever.

46 posted on 10/29/2012 5:45:14 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("You Might Be a Liberal" (YMBAL) Coming out Sept 1 by C. Edmund Wright)

To: JerseyanExile

I hope God doesn’t lose the password he put on to block others from hex-editing the universe. There would be consequences if, say, some curious chattering chimp got hold of the keys and started fiddling with the Planck Constant or some such. “Hmmm, let me just nudge this part up to 6.63, I’ll make this 10 to the negative 31st and see what happens.”

47 posted on 10/29/2012 5:56:15 AM PDT by Sirius Lee

To: JRandomFreeper

bttt

48 posted on 10/29/2012 5:58:46 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)

To: JRandomFreeper
ANY thread on FR has an appropriate Blazing Saddles quote. Most of life does.

I find that quotes from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy work pretty well anywhere as well.

Just wait until the boffins discover Bistromathematics, and improbability theory.

49 posted on 10/29/2012 6:33:21 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)

To: JRandomFreeper
BTW, my speed of light number in furlongs per fortnight is 1.8026175* 10^12.

You could also say that C = mach 904,460 (32°F @ sea level)

50 posted on 10/29/2012 6:49:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)

To: C. Edmund Wright

To put it simply, show how temporal separation between events can occur without Time to prevent all events from occurring simultaneously. Use all the depths of your “outside box” thinking to provide an answer. Otherwise, you are claiming the equivalent of the existence of square-shaped triangles and when I ask you how, you say I’m not thinking deep enough.

51 posted on 10/29/2012 8:51:16 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)

To: James C. Bennett

Quantam physics have proven that time is a physical property, in other words, related to the property of space - and that is bends and changes. It is a dimension that is beyond the understanding of mere mortals - and yet mere mortals know there is a “there there” beyond our comprehension.

YOUR problem, my friend, is that you are coming at this from the template of man being the most superior being in the universe, which is atheistic by definition. You will never ever ever get it with that template. Man cannot even ask the proper questions about the limits of time and space, let alone answer them.

And yet you insist on man being the supreme. sorry, don’t fly....

52 posted on 10/29/2012 9:17:22 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("You Might Be a Liberal" (YMBAL) Coming out Sept 1 by C. Edmund Wright)

To: TheZMan

Our atheist is still at it....

53 posted on 10/29/2012 9:19:00 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("You Might Be a Liberal" (YMBAL) Coming out Sept 1 by C. Edmund Wright)

To: C. Edmund Wright

I asked you a very simple question: How is the temporal separation of events possible without Time?

The relevance of this question pertains to the claim that God is outside Time.

Just as God cannot be evil, since that would be an absurdity, the lack of temporal separation causes all events in a Timeless realm to collapse into a singularity moment (a logical consequence of the lack of Time). In such a realm, God did something and yet didn’t do it, simultaneously. This is the absurdity which arises from an entity ordering sequential events in a Timeless realm. How do you resolve it?

54 posted on 10/29/2012 9:24:29 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)

To: James C. Bennett
No change is possible without Time elapsing.

Which is why God is the Creator of time. In the beginning was nothing, a void, and since there was nothing to change there was no time. (Granted, even a single atomic [classic sense of indivisible] particle there would be no time because there is nothing relative to that particle wherewith to change.)

55 posted on 10/29/2012 9:30:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)

To: OneWingedShark

Any change requires Time to elapse, or else the change becomes an absurdity. If God conjured the moment to create Time, two phases exist, one where Time is yet to be created, and another where Time has already been created. Now both phases cannot exist simultaneously as that would bring about an absurdity, but the only thing that can prevent this simultaneity is Time itself, which is yet to be created during the change in the phases. This brings back the logical necessity of Time to allow any change.

While you are thinking about this, also consider the problem of Infinite Regress - for God to conjure a moment to do something, in a Timeless realm, what could the reference moment be to begin the conjured moment? If the past is infinitely endless, how can the present be arrived at?

56 posted on 10/29/2012 9:38:44 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)

To: James C. Bennett
While you are thinking about this, also consider the problem of Infinite Regress - for God to conjure a moment to do something, in a Timeless realm, what could the reference moment be to begin the conjured moment? If the past is infinitely endless, how can the present be arrived at?

You're thinking about this incorrectly. Like the person who says that distance of an arrow shot as a function of time d(t) such that each successive value of t the distance halves means that the arrow will never cover the entire distance. This is absurd [in life] because you can fire a bow and the arrow will cover that distance in some finite (and short) period of time.

57 posted on 10/29/2012 9:47:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)

To: James C. Bennett

You’re a hoot. Obtuse. Stubborn. A prisoner of your own templates while absurdly thinking you are above them - but a hoot nonetheless.

I’ll pray for you. I’m done chatting with you.

58 posted on 10/29/2012 10:01:56 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("You Might Be a Liberal" (YMBAL) Coming out Sept 1 by C. Edmund Wright)

To: OneWingedShark

Yes, good old Zeno’s paradox. That was not what my question relates to, however.

Without a temporal past, how can any moment be begun?

59 posted on 10/29/2012 10:03:53 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)

To: JRandomFreeper

’ Organized religion is going to have to learn to accept God’s universe(s) as they are. His wisdom, not ours, controls it’. This is so true for me except I believe there is only one ‘overall’ universe as there is only one God. I still enjoy pondering about the extent of his universe as to my take on time and space.

60 posted on 10/29/2012 10:05:10 AM PDT by noinfringers2