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To: Hostage

The problem is cultural. We will not be able to force a set of rules via a proceedural end run, on a populace that does not support us enough to give us victories in elections.

If it cannot be done in elections now, what makes you think they would see this new magic constitution we write and say “well, they got us, now we have to obey these new rules?”
It would head straight to the supreme court just like Obamacare for interpretation. There is nothing you can write, that they cannot “interpret” into meaninglessness.

There is no substitute for winning in the marketplace of ideas. This is just a legalistic version of a military coup that happens when someone wants to have power they cannot win at the ballot box. So they seize it.

A con con used as a way to overcome what we cannot win at elections, is like using roofies to get a girl in bed.


58 posted on 11/08/2012 10:56:18 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
A con con used as a way to overcome what we cannot win at elections, is like using roofies to get a girl in bed.

No. Why was it put in there in the first place? This is a failsafe against a growing tyranny which were are up against right now. Tyranny is growing and the Founders knew it would overtime.

63 posted on 11/08/2012 11:01:15 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: DesertRhino

The Consitution of the United States is not a mere set of rules. It embodies the essence of thousands of years of Western Civilization, and it is a sacred agreement to protect the rights of the States and the people. The Supreme Court, howver liberal, can be dealt a death blow by clear, simple, concise limits on federal and judicial authority. MTV culture is not relevant to the discussion.


71 posted on 11/08/2012 11:14:48 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: DesertRhino
Who got to vote for the first 100 or so years of the republic?

The founders did not have the faith in the mob that you do. Once you fix that the rest falls out.

Let me spell it out clearly: Letting people who don't work, pay taxes or own property vote is a collossal mistake.

82 posted on 11/08/2012 11:52:56 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: DesertRhino

“The problem is cultural. We will not be able to force a set of rules via a proceedural end run, on a populace that does not support us enough to give us victories in elections.”

Victories in national elections are given by union controlled (mostly government and teachers) urban strongholds. The country class is in total more numerous than their urban counterparts but they at the national level they have no reason to get excited. The Senators are picked for them, either democrat or RINO. To vote they need to believe in something. Evidently they did not believe in Romney.

So then how is it that conservatives hold the House of Representatives?

Because of districting.

How is that conservatives hold so many state legislatures?

For similar reasons. The state legislator district lines are drawn geographically.

Therefore, it is evident that conservatives hold all the cards in the setting of a Constitutional Convention run in Statehouses. The Left can try and fight in this setting but they will lose because they are top down hierarchical and vertically integrated which they need to be to control cities and other urban environments. They can’t fight in the country, simple as that. They don’t have enough people, enough money and if they did take the chance to deploy people and money, then they would fight on hostile grounds.

The only way the Left could control a conservative state legislature is to take the legislators hostage by coercion or bribery. They might try and it would be very expensive but it would be their undoing. And they would need to do it in 38 states. Not going to happen.


85 posted on 11/08/2012 12:05:08 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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