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Brace Yourself: Islamization of Europe Is A Good Thing
YNet News ^ | 11 November 2012 | Kobi Nashoni

Posted on 11/11/2012 8:11:17 PM PST by KGeorge

Islamization isn't only happening in Europe. If these are our "allies", I'd sure hate to hear what our enemies have to say about us.

According to Rabbi Baruch Efrati,

"Jews should 'rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.' "

"With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt," he explained."

"even if we are in a major war with the region's Arabs over the Land of Israel, Islam is still much better as a gentile culture than Christianity."

He added, however, that Jews must pray that the Islamization of most of Europe will not harm the people of Israel."

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TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Miscellaneous; Religion
KEYWORDS: islam; israel; revenge
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I'm very upset.
1 posted on 11/11/2012 8:11:22 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

Things that make you go hmmm.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 8:14:48 PM PST by BipolarBob (I'm joining a Rastafarian cult group and moving to Jamaica.)
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To: KGeorge

Islam is taking over Europe because Christianity is already dead there. The Christianity that still remains in Europe is anti-israel and also anti-American.

Problem for Israelis is that they see Europe but they don’t know what the real non-Hollywood America is like.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 8:19:59 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: KGeorge

What I gather is that he thinks that they (Jews and Islamists) are better off living in the early centuries......without Christianity.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 8:21:46 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: KGeorge

5 posted on 11/11/2012 8:27:31 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: KGeorge

This Rabbi is a fool who prefers the enemy in front of him and give offense to his real friends.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 8:33:23 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: KGeorge

The guy’s a kook. Considering Islamization is corresponding with a new wave of Antisemitism in Europe, I doubt that many European Jews are eager to listen to what he has to say.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 8:36:27 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: 3Fingas

He’s like Neturei Karta, which is surprising since he’s from Efrat.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 8:43:19 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Shadow44

This just made me think about the 10 nations in the Revelation. Many have been taught this is the EU. That could be but, never occurred to me the 10 nations may be Islamisized. That would play an even bigger factor in an end time scenario.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 8:44:37 PM PST by taterjay
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To: ari-freedom

Yes, I see that. Someone who advocates policies that hurt his own people. Sort of like leftists do here in the U.S.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 8:48:56 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: ari-freedom

Here is why I am upset, Ari.

1. Every filthy, licentious, promiscuous, & perverted thing that has become “fashionable” in America has come straight out of Hollywood, magazines, & music. These industries get filthy rich exploiting weak minded people & their impressionable kids. Who are the people who control these industries & profit from them, by & large?

2. The originators & promoters of feminism & homosexuality are who?

How damn dare they turn this around on us & act as if it came from us, not them? The real non-Hollywood is full of kids wanting to be like Miley Cyrus & Lady Gaga & Brokeback Mountain. And “creating” things like Piss Christ & theater productions about how Jesus Christ was gay. Kids as young as first grade insist on dressing up as the opposite gender & are indoctrinated into feminism & homosexuality before they are even old enough to know what sex is.
Guess why prayer isn’t allowed in our schools but some schools have their own special rooms for Muslim prayer.

3. Israel is allegedly under constant threat by Islamic-Arab countries & yet, this virulent, fundamentalist belief system, *that is their sworn enemy* & that Americans- & Europeans, have *died* to defend/ protect them from, is preferable to Christians.

Maybe it should be Judeo-Islamic instead of Judeo-Christian.

Have you seen this? It is pure evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug

Part of the definition of genocide is the intentional displacement of one race by another.

http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext.htm

This is sick. It is just a step too far.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 8:52:12 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

The good rabbi should know better than to ask the Lord for nonsense.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 8:55:44 PM PST by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: KGeorge

I don’t want Islamists to take over Europe. That would be terrible. I hope they become a handful for the secularists though.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 9:02:31 PM PST by MNDude
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To: KGeorge
Speaking as one raised deep in the entrails of Irish Catholicism, I can't help but feel a certain sang froid at the thought of the Muslim Call to Prayer ringing out from the residence of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Indeed, Ireland will be much more secure with an internally destabilized England that would have a hard time invading them and mass-murdering them again.

OTOH, it wouldn't be good for the USA.

Every silver lining has a cloud, I guess.

14 posted on 11/11/2012 9:04:09 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: KGeorge

This wackjob rabbi also once said it would be all right for Jews to pray in mosques. The guy is a flake who likes making outrageous statements for publicity (especially when they have that anti-Christian message, and leaning towards pro-Islam). The best way to frustrate and punish him would be if the media would just ignore him.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 9:05:34 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Gluteus Maximus

So you’re OK with Germany ruling over Ireland, I take it? I spent nine years of my life living in a suburb of Dublin, and I am not all right with that at all. Look up Ireland’s Third Amendment, where de Valera himself signed into law the fact that European law became superior to Irish law. You won’t get any Irish permitted to run for the German Bundestag in the same way that they used to be in the British Parliament.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 9:08:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Exactly. Which is interesting. Israel is very modern. Very. They should stay in their medieval Middle East & avoid the West instead of infiltrating it & trying to manipulate it into what *they* think it should be. They’re not God.

@ BenLurkin & 3Fingas- We are at least somewhat on the same page.

@ Shadow- I guess that could explain why. See my video link. I can empathize with their anger, knowing how it feels being overrun by illegals, Somalis, & H1B Indians. Intention adds great injury to that insult.

@ ari- I don’t know who that is.

@ 3Fingas, again- Bingo!


17 posted on 11/11/2012 9:11:21 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: MNDude

They are though. It’s a problem for everyone but the leftists, In Denmark, a Muslim majority in Kokkedal has cancelled the Christmas celebration this year. See the comments

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/denmark-muslim-majority-in-local-board-cancels-decade-old-christmas-tradition-finances-eid-party-wit.html

@ Olog-hai- Isn’t YNet a mainstream website?


18 posted on 11/11/2012 9:24:21 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: Olog-hai
I'm not saying that it would solve all of Ireland's problems. But to ignore the simple fact that England has for 800 years murdered and oppressed the Irish is to close one's eyes to history. England is Ireland's main security risk. As far as I know, Germany has never invaded Ireland, outlawed their religion, dispossessed them of their land, taxed them without mercy, conscripted generations of their young men for imperial military service, kicked down their doors, opened up on peaceful crowds with machine guns, and literally took the food from the mouths of starving Irish children. England has done all of that to the Irish, and more. And what's more, coming up on 100 years of the English being out of Ireland, England still hates the Irish, perhaps more than it ever has.

An England riven by a restive Islamic population can only be good for Ireland.

As I was taught growing up, "England's misfortune is Ireland's opportunity."

19 posted on 11/11/2012 9:38:41 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: KGeorge

YNet is the electronic version of the Leftist, Israeli newspaper, Yediot Achranot.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 9:53:52 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: KGeorge

“Who are the people who control these industries & profit from them, by & large?”

Unbunch your panties; the answer is “NOT ISRAEL-SUPPORTING RELIGIOUS-ZIONIST JEWS.”

The rabbi is a jerk. We all have them. He has no influence.

BONUS:

“They [Israelis] should stay in their medieval Middle East & avoid the West instead of infiltrating it & trying to manipulate it into what *they* think it should be.”

GFY, you’re as stupid as that rabbi, AND your comments are a disgrace to Texas.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 9:59:06 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

I’ve heard that line in primary and secondary school over in Ireland too. There is a missing dimension there, where the Irish upper classes did enough oppressing of their own people. Do some research in regards to the history surrounding Dermot MacMurrough and his relationship with Henry II of England—as well as the relationship of Henry II with Pope Alexander III, who granted that king lordship of Ireland in 1172. Countries do not maintain a long-lasting united (and for the most part, mutually-beneficial) relationship via constant oppression—there was more amiability than you seem to have heard of.

The 1916 Rising had a lot of communists involved, too; even Lenin regarded that as the first communistic (albeit failed) revolution, and took it as an inspiration for his own Bolshevik revolution.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 10:02:11 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Yehuda
The rabbi is a jerk. We all have them. He has no influence.

American Jews voted 70% for Hussein.

One can only ask: what have you been smoking?

23 posted on 11/11/2012 10:03:10 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: KGeorge

This so called religious scholar and leader is delusional beyond belief. He is upset about things done hundreds of years ago to the Jews but does not seem to give a fig about what muslims are doing to Jews TODAY.....keep saying this kind of nonsense and God will show you exactly what a muslim Europe means to today’s Jews


24 posted on 11/11/2012 10:45:59 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Yehuda

How do you know this? (I’ll thank you to MYOB regarding my lingerie. Speaking of deteriorations in our culture, you make my point)

No. Jews & Islamists.
You approve of Jews “socially engineering” the populations of countries other than their homeland & defamation against Christians? If someone were saying these things about Jewish people, I’m positive you’d be quite upset.

GF [myself]? Really.?
The disgrace here isn’t mine.

How did you know that I’m in Texas? Is that an implied threat?


25 posted on 11/11/2012 11:02:22 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: Nifster

“...keep saying this kind of nonsense and God will show you exactly what a muslim Europe means to today’s Jews”

I don’t know what you mean by this. Clarify?


26 posted on 11/11/2012 11:07:13 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

My point was simple...this stupid rabbi (and I use that term loosely) would rather have a muslim dominated Europe because of those nasty Christians. Fine when that happens he will find that Israel is no longer....the muslims will have over run them as well. This idiot does not realize that Christians are Israel’s and the Jews best hope of survival.....And what is it you thought I meant? I was pretty clear....at least I thought so


27 posted on 11/11/2012 11:44:43 PM PST by Nifster
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To: ari-freedom; KGeorge; MNDude; Gluteus Maximus; Olog-hai; jocon307
Islam is taking over Europe because Christianity is already dead there.

Exaggeration, to put it mildly. i've lived in Poland for the past 2.5 years and visited Hungary, Croatia and Slovakia. Then 10 years ago i lived in the UK with long stays in Belgium and shorter ones in other western european countries

ari -- your statement is wrong to consider Europe as ONLY Western Europe. Eastern Europe (Hungary, Poland, Croatia, Slovakia) are pretty strongly Christian

Even in Western Europe I've seen and been part of communities in England and Belgium and yeah, even in Paris who are still strongly, and I mean STRONGLY Christian

These are a small number -- maybe 10% or less, but still.

Christianity is most definitely not dead in the increasingly godless nations of the UK, France and Germany.

In Scandanavia, your statement is close to true in my opinion, but I've not spent any significant time around those places to make a statement based on experience.

28 posted on 11/12/2012 1:11:55 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Yehuda; Eleutheria5; jjotto; Jewbacca
The rabbi is a jerk. We all have them. He has no influence.

Thanks for stating that so clearly -- this rabbi speaks for himself and definitely does not speak for Jews as a whole

29 posted on 11/12/2012 1:13:22 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
The English are no longer a threat. That ended a hundred years ago

in fact in WWI and WWII the Irish voluntarily fought for the Crown against Germany

30 posted on 11/12/2012 1:13:22 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Olog-hai; Gluteus Maximus
Well, it was an anarchist revolt, not Bolshevist

Remember that the 1800s "communism", "socialism", "liberalism" meant something different from later years

The Communism in Russia was a freak -- Marx envisioned communism in an industrial environment, not an agricultural society like Tsarist Russia

The anarchist movement in Central Europe and in Ireland was against despotic (in the case of Central Europe, the Kaiser and Tsar) and all-powerful (in the case of Ireland) rulers

This had ideas of equal opportunity and also was fighting against the autocratic sstem in Russia, the aristocratic society in Germany and England

By the standards of the 1800s, even late 1800s, the USA was a very liberal society and even "socialist" in the respect that this was a society where everyone had the opportunity to rise based on abilities (which is not what could be said about Tsarist Russia or English-ruled Ireland).

However the terms have changed and the raison-d'etre of many of these movements no longer exist (case in point -- socialism helped end child labor and 80 hour work weeks in terrible factory conditions, but the fight for 35 hour weeks is taking something to exaggeration)

31 posted on 11/12/2012 1:21:00 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Gluteus Maximus; Yehuda; ari-freedom
American Jews voted 70% for Hussein.

69%, and more to the point, I am 100% sure that our fellow Freepers who happen to be Jewish like Yehuda or ari would never even dream of voting for 0.

32 posted on 11/12/2012 1:33:25 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

First of all, let me say the Scandos are incredibly stupid to have invited in a bunch of muslims. I don’t know why on earth they did this, but they were very foolish. How those peoples went from being the invading Viking hordes to their present day “live and let live” almost nihilists I’d love to know!

Now, let me say, we in the west need to have a real christian revival. I would urge even atheists to get religion.

The battle with Islam has entered another stage and almost nobody gets that this is happening. Most people who do get it are derided as complete cranks.

Yet the jihadis take it deadly seriously.

Oh well, at least THEY know we are not cranks.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 1:49:09 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Olog-hai

Suggest you don’t waste your time.

To the true anti-English Irishman it’s always 1649 and Cromwell has just finished his massacre at Drogheda. They’re just not interested in the true history of Ireland except insofar as it can be used to demonize England. In this regard it is much like the various “studies” fields in academia, where one doesn’t really research black history, one researches the oppression of blacks by white people.

Which is not to say that there isn’t plenty of English oppression to study, only that as you say the story is more complicated.

In particular, the history of the mostly peaceful (relative to earlier and later periods) evolution of Irish/English relations from the 1880s to 1914 is generally ignored. During this period the conflict was primarily intra-Irish, with the Ulster Protestants not unreasonably violently opposed to being handed over to the tender mercies of those they had contributed to oppressing for several centuries.

In 1914 the Irish Home Rule bill was passed, which peacefully gave Ireland all most Irish people wanted. It never went into effect, due to other issues taking precedence later in the year.


34 posted on 11/12/2012 2:49:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: KGeorge

Well it is just a fact that in the last 1300 years (and particularly in the last century) Christian Europeans (and anti-Christian and post-Christian Europeans) have killed a great many more Jews that Muslims have.

How and whether that sad history is relevant today is a completely different question.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 2:54:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: KGeorge

Well it is just a fact that in the last 1300 years (and particularly in the last century) Christian Europeans (and anti-Christian and post-Christian Europeans) have killed a great many more Jews that Muslims have.

How and whether that sad history is relevant today is a completely different question.


36 posted on 11/12/2012 2:54:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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What a lunatic.

Islam is a war plan.

Christ is the answer.


37 posted on 11/12/2012 2:59:42 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Sherman Logan

>> Well it is just a fact that in the last 1300 years Christian Europeans have killed a great many more Jews that Muslims have.

“Christian Europeans”

Really, jackass?

Hitler was doing Christ’s work?

You’re a dick.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 3:03:16 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: jocon307
The first step was socialism. Heavy, heavy socialism.

They then thought that they could solve the world's problems and invited refugees in to live off their welfare

They never thought of the repercussions

btw, the bloodthirsty Vikings were the ones that left the Scandanavian lands and became Normans or others.

39 posted on 11/12/2012 3:59:08 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: jocon307
the Battle with Islam will be the Russians and the Chinese versus Islam.

And don't expect them to care for human rights.

when the Chinese take over Central Asia, expect a bloodbath.

And the Russian mindset is framed around the retaking of Constantinople. That has been the dream continuously since 1453. It is a deep religious fervor even for those who are athiests in Russia.

40 posted on 11/12/2012 4:01:28 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: KGeorge

I’m starting to believe that Islam will be the one-world religion that is supposed to be in place for the end times. It is the only one that is oppressive enough to require the mark of the beast.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 4:07:50 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Cronos

Consider this is ynet, devoted to slandering all religious Jews. They may be twisting the rabbi’s message.

Europe (and it’s successor America) is guided by the angel of Esau/Edom, meaning they live by the sword and materialism, at their best when applying Biblical morality to these pursuits.

Disarmament and Gaia-worship mean inevitably a loss of identity to the more vigorous monotheism of Islam and the angel of Ishmael.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 4:24:32 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cronos

“..when the Chinese take over Central Asia, expect a bloodbath.”

Interesting (off topic I know). I was deployed to Uzbekistan; the Uzbeks I talked to were wannabe Russians, every one. They were indifferent about Islam and regarded Afghans as dangerous fanatics. They stressed that Uzbeks are eastern Turks and not western Asiatics. They regard the Uighurs in China as siblings.

That’s FWIW. Central Asia is in the Russian sphere of influence; Moscow won’t give it up easily.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 4:57:46 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970

true enough. My dream though is for the Russians to take Constantinople.


44 posted on 11/12/2012 5:52:15 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
I am 100% sure that our fellow Freepers who happen to be Jewish like Yehuda or ari would never even dream of voting for 0.

That's great, and I appreciate that. But it misses the point, which is that 70% of American Jews did support Bathhouse Barry. That's such a supermajority figure that we're clearly talking about ethnic block voting against US.

I'm glad that all six of the good folks Yehuda describes are truly with us. But that leaves the rest of them who are truly against us.

And that's just an arithmetical fact. Let's all deal with that most unavoidable and fundamental fact, and let all further discussions on the subject proceed from it.

45 posted on 11/12/2012 8:25:40 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: KGeorge

a pox on both your houses


46 posted on 11/12/2012 8:58:54 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Gluteus Maximus wrote: The rabbi is a jerk. We all have them. He has no influence.

American Jews voted 70% for Hussein. One can only ask: what have you been smoking?

Maybe you should exercise a different muscle. THE 69% OF AMERICAN JINOS WHO VOTED FOR HUSSEIN DON'T LISTEN TO ISRAELI (and rarely to American) RABBIS, except for a handful of those from the Neturei Karta who stand with the jihadis.

BTW, thats down 9% from the previous election.

Perhaps you would spend your time more productively whining about the majority of American Catholics who voted for obama.

47 posted on 11/12/2012 10:39:55 AM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: KGeorge

“Speaking of deteriorations in our culture, you make my point)”

Deteriorate this:

“Jews socially engineering Christian countries...”

Your blah blah blah = KKK / NAZI BULLSH*T.

The overwhelming majority of JINOS in Hollywood (and in Moscow in 1918, you moron) have ZERO connection to being Jewish except by ancestry.

YOU GOING TO SINGLE OUT PEOPLE BY THEIR DNA, NOW JACKASS? My father didn’t kill enough of you nazis in WW2?

” If someone were saying these things about Jewish people, I’m positive you’d be quite upset.”

You are preaching kkk-nazis bullsh*t hatred against Jews, and I am more than upset.

“GF [myself]? Really.?The disgrace here isn’t mine.”

I REPEAT: You have disgraced yourself and Texas with this BS. (and I went to school, and have family in Texas).

“How did you know that I’m in Texas? Is that an implied threat?”

HELLO, GENIUS, ITS ON YOUR FREEREPUBLIC HOME PAGE.

Yu may become the poster child for why we need to institute INTELLIGENCE TESTS before allowing people to join FR.

(here, let me scare you: Everyone here knows that you joined up March 18, 2012!)

Now stop blaming Jews and concentrate on stopping the jihadis.


48 posted on 11/12/2012 10:42:12 AM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Gluteus Maximus; Yehuda
I'm glad that all six of the good folks Yehuda describes are truly with us. But that leaves the rest of them who are truly against us.

But note this GM:
1. The rest of "them" are not freepers, most likely are not even going to read. Liberal Jews will go on Huffpost etc. like liberal Christians. So any statement against them on this forum is useless. In fact it's worse than useless as it hurts our conservative Jewish FRiends and does not reach the liberal Jews. If you wish, say this on huffpost etc. and that will target the right (or should I say left) audience
2. 69% is not enough to talk of an entire community's will. I would put it at more than 80% (using the pareto rule).

49 posted on 11/12/2012 11:22:40 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Not sure that Marx had the idea of a wholly industrial monolith in which communism/socialism was to spring up. The many concepts vis-à-vis centralization (communication, transportation, banking) appear to be independent of the concept of transfer of power from wealthy hoarding class (so-called “bourgeoisie”) to the lower working classes (so-called “proletariat”) anyhow—and centralization of such powers is not in any way an anarchist tenet. There are the other planks in the Manifesto in regards to agriculture, especially numbers 7, 8 and 9:
  1. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  2. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  3. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. …
So in that case, even an industrially-backwards country is a target for communists.

In the case of Ireland, it was Irish landowners that kept things agrarian; the one exception was Ulster, which did see industrialization. The Parliament was not all-powerful, or else home rule for Ireland would never have passed. James Connolly was an ardent communist, not an anarchist, and he was not alone in the Irish Republican Brotherhood (aka the Fenians).
50 posted on 11/12/2012 11:24:11 AM PST by Olog-hai
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