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Remember Texans what Colonel Travis wrote when he chose the heading "To the People of Texas and all Americans in the World" back on February 24, 1836.

I will not dishonor his words. We will stay and fight, just like at that little chapel down yonder in Bexar County.

Allow me to quote from "Animal House" when I say, "it ain't over until we say it is."

Another four years is gonna suck bigtime, but I got nowhere else to go. We stay and defend this beautiful country because of the honorable patriots before us.

If you didn't vote this past November 6 because you don't love Romney, then that is too bad for you. I was there, my wife was there, and my old momma was there too. Let us all commit to defend Old Glory the way any true Texan will naturally do for The Lone Star.

Just my $.02 worth of vanity. Over and out.

1 posted on 11/14/2012 4:25:23 PM PST by West Texas Chuck
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This country as it was founded began to end in the late 19th century with the decline accelerating since 1913. The union, as was founded, is now dead. When this asshole Obama states that government is “the one thing we all belong to” (he has it exactly backwards, as usual), and people vote for him, it’s over.


42 posted on 11/14/2012 5:27:07 PM PST by Smber (The smallest minority is the individual. Get the government off my back.)
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During the Cold War, some people said the country would fall apart if we didn't have foreign enemies that we could unite against. I didn't buy that then. It looked like those people were denying the real threat from the Soviets and claiming that the threat was just made up by people who wanted to keep the masses in line, but now the Cold War is over, the Soviet Union is gone and the country is quite divided, with people talking secession after every presidential election.

Whether or not we need an external enemy to hate and organize against to be united, I suspect we need the United States to be American. What I'm saying is that a lot of people espouse "American values" because we are American citizens. We've been brought up to believe those values and have seen how successful freedom and responsibility have made our country.

Somebody will doubtless say that truth is truth, freedom is freedom, and that if the country we live in allows us freedom it could be as small as Liechtenstein or Monaco. I'm making an empirical argument, though, not a moral or abstractly rationalistic one. For a lot of people, if they see the country break up, it changes something for them, it weakens their commitment to older values.

Break up the country and there's bound to be a feeling that in some sense the country -- and its ideals -- have failed. One could argue against that and say it shouldn't be so, but I suspect that the feeling of defeat will be a lot stronger than any rationalizations about how much better things will be in the former United States once we've gotten rid of Washington DC's power over us.

Some people will say that they are Texans or Southerners or Californians or Vermonters rather than Americans, but a lot of those distinctions make sense in the context of the United States. You may be a Texan against New Yorkers or a Californian against Mississippi, but if we were in different countries and you or I couldn't vote in every election against some other part of the country, those convictions wouldn't be as strong. Politics would reorganize itself around differences within states and regions rather than differences between states and regions. It might be hard to recognize today's political and ideological landscape after the dissolution of the union.

If we were a half dozen countries in a world of about 200 other countries, if we weren't part of a large and powerful country that could hold out against foreign trends, the tendency would probably be to assimilate to international norms. Once different parts of the country become independent they'll all start to flow in the same direction that European countries do, some faster, some slower, some sooner some later, but the bulwark against those changes will be gone.

It's hard for me to express all this, but I'd caution against thinking that everybody is like the most ideologically committed among us or that if you rope off the right people in the right area you can resist what we see going on around us every day. Real people are a part of that world that we see around us and reflect the behavior that they see in life and on television. Changing borders isn't going to change any of that and make people different from what they are. It could even make people worse, by doing away with an important cornerstone of people's convictions.

46 posted on 11/14/2012 5:37:53 PM PST by x
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> We Can't Secede, We Are Americans <

Exactly the point.

Seceding is how America came to be; it seceded from that tyranny that was English rule. Now that our present Government has become that same tyranny we left perhaps it is time to ‘Renew The Tree Of Liberty’.

And the ‘house divided’? Those who choose to break off from the beast would surely join together to reform - much as the 13 States did in the 19th century - but this time the greater weight of strength and resources would be to a new Republic, obedient to the will of the people.

Tis a shame it isn't going to happen.

47 posted on 11/14/2012 5:38:51 PM PST by Ed Story
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“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.” — President Davis


49 posted on 11/14/2012 5:43:24 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The libs on my Facebook site are up in arms over this protest and want to see citizenship stripped for those who have signed the petitions. LOL. As far as I’m concerned, the petition to seccude is a valid protest that is very, very vocal. It’s the strongest way possible a private citizen has at this point to voice his or her outrage.

If they offer a petition for Kansas, I’ll sign it, knowing full well nothing will come of it.

What however it interesting, is the fact that this many people are outraged to the point of actually signing a petition.

In my humble opinion we’re all screwed, so hubs and I are protecting our assests, and our family, to the best of our ability.

Maybe the Myans had something with that calendar.


52 posted on 11/14/2012 5:49:07 PM PST by navymom1
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You can't secede when there is nothing to secede from.

...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

When elected officials and bureaucracies act outside the law they are simply lawbreakers. When the majority of the people vote in favor of the lawlessness that has greatly manifested itself in the highest offices they have withdrawn their consent to be governed by a constitutional government. By what legitimate basis does the United States of America, as a Constitutional republic, still exist?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

'The People' no longer support that. They voted in support of lawlessness from the highest office on down. They voted against the rule of law. By referendum we now have a banana republic. The USAINO.

55 posted on 11/14/2012 5:56:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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We must secede, we are Americans


57 posted on 11/14/2012 6:18:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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No need to secede. Simply stop supporting the parasites, who suck large incomes from the beast without being real producers. They only talk as though they’re producing more than socially pathological propaganda (government schools), regulatory obstacles against real production, destruction of other people’s families, etc. Avoid buying anything that you don’t really need. Become more self-sufficient each month. Learn to manufacture something useful as a hobby for now, to become a real producer in the near future.

In other words, starve the B. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


60 posted on 11/14/2012 6:27:01 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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We are Americans, but are they? Perhaps it would be better for America to separate for a time, until they are ready to accept the rule of law.


63 posted on 11/14/2012 6:45:59 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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The American People existed before the United States and U.S. Constitution. They created the U.S. and the Constitution.

To secede from the Union in no way implies that one is less “American.” The Union has become a Marxist empire, and is an alien, enemy conspiracy against the American People.


66 posted on 11/14/2012 7:46:03 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're for sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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I don't want to secede. I want them to secede!
67 posted on 11/14/2012 8:04:38 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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Dang, I was kidding. Sorta.

I’ve had a Secede bumper sticker since before it was cool:

http://now.msn.com/texas-secession-bumper-stickers-abound-after-2012-petitions


69 posted on 11/25/2012 5:06:27 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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