Posted on 11/18/2012 5:16:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
>>College is not required.
Depends what you are doing. I would submit that it would be hard to homeschool things like engineering, physics, chemistry, etc.
That said, there are quite a lot of degrees these days that are a joke.
Most of my kids Jr college courses have been online. And if they needed on campus classes, they arranged them on the same day, such as T, Th. I dropped off the kiddo, went to work, picked them up on the way home.
There's a reason why government schools dropped teaching logic.
I heard 20%. But it's at least twice the rate of the general population.
Yeah, that should tell you something.
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree. . . . An amendment to our constitution must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all people. Thomas Jefferson State of the Union Address December 2 1806
Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils, and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests, & nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance.Thomas Jefferson To George Wythe, from Paris, August 13, 1786
The North Carolina Constitution of 1776 provided that "a school or schools shall be established by the Legislature, for the convenient instruction of youth, with such salaries to the masters, paid by the public, as may enable them to instruct at low prices; and all useful learning shall be duly encouraged, and promoted, in one or more universities."
Wrench and turn to you will find that some of the home schooling advocates are very reasonable people, you will also find that quite a few of them are part of the "kook fringe" element. They will employ every Saul Alinsky tactic that they have to belittle and demean you.
Yeah, online classes are the way to go. Unfortunately, at our CC there were very few online classes (but this was 8 years ago.) Once he turned 16 our troubles were over because he could drive himself.
It is more than the federal government. Perhaps, I can persuade you that all government owned and run K-12 schooling, on every level ( federal, state, and local) should be abolished. Why?
Answer: Government schooling is a freedom of conscience and First Amendment abomination no matter how big or small the districts.
1) It is impossible to have a religiously, politically, and culturally neutral education. All education has a worldview that his **not** neutral in its content or consequences. Therefore....When government owns and runs education it imposes a government sanctioned NON-neutral worldview on the children and forces the taxpayer to pay for it. This would be true even if districts were the size of a city block. One group of neighbors would be imposing their worldview on neighbors who were less politically powerful.
2) Government run schooling is socialist-funded schooling. It is a single-payer entitlement . Simply by attending children risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. They risk learning that any government powerful enough to give a child tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of free stuff. ( Franklin D. Roosevelt wasn't an accident. All it took was one to three generations of socialist schooling.)
3) When the earliest modern government schools were formed in the mid-1800s), the worldview of these schools necessarily had to be generic and lukewarm in their Protestant worldview. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of His mouth. The pressure was constantly toward more and more secularism. By the 1950s and early 1960s government schools merely nodded in the direction of God. The curriculum was thoroughly secular. Children in these schools had to learn to think and reason secularly just to cooperate in the classroom.
4) Today's schools are utterly godless in their worldview. The children must think and reason godlessly to cooperate with the teacher and assignments. ( At least while in the school.)
5) Finally, no scientific study of the contributions of the parents has ever been measured. We do **not** know if institutionalized schooling actually teaches the child anything. No one has ever measured the private tutoring, the preschool work, the help with the homework, and the child's own hours spent studying **in the home**. It is possible that we, as Americans spend billions a year on institutionalized schooling, and the real work is being done in the home.
Anecdotally, when I question parents of successful institutionalized and homeschooled children, I find **NO** difference in the amount of work done by the parent or the child **in the HOME**.
If you can think of an exception I would welcome it, but the above applies to all of our nation's government run, socialist-funded, compulsory, and religiously NON-neutral schools. They are an abomination regardless of whether the children learn to read or not.
The above is a snarky sharp poke in the eye of homeschoolers and homeschooling and contributes nothing but disruption to the conversation. Do you get paid for doing this?
It is a quick talking point and would work well on MSNBC. Did you find this at the NEA website? ( Just wondering.)
Most are professional disruptors and paid for their efforts. That's my conclusion.
The Founders who were educated beyond elementary school overwhelmingly ended up in the private, religious colleges, which were all that existed, and about half studied divinity at one point. Their ideas about education did not focus so much who provided the education but in what was taught. ALL believed elementary schools should teach math, grammar, religion, and (as they said) a "patriotic history."
Dr. Benjamin Rush was among the leading proponents of the public education model, as was Madison.
All it took was one to three generations of socialist-funded and single payer school to get Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt elected.
Even if the socialist schools successfully teach reading and arithmetic and have teachers with a conservative philosophy just BEING IN a socialist-funded school teaches the child to be comfortable with accepting socialism.
Gee! If a powerful voting mob can give the child tuition-free school, why not use that power to grab for **lots** of free goodies?
There are other testing options, besides the GED regime, for diplomas. They can be Googled.
Many home school associations in various states have umbrella setups for diploma testing.
Our home-schooled children have entered institutes and colleges, by testing, without standard high school diplomas.
On our part, the diploma itself has never been the issue. For the many benefits of home-schooling, we decided way back in 1982, when we began, that we would gladly undergo the difficulties with documentation at graduation time.
We have one son, without a high school diploma, graduate from a language institute in Texas, and go on to receive an accredited bachelors degree from a college in South Dakota. Another son is enrolled in an accredited college in the computer science program.
Testing got the boys in to these institutions, and they can go just as high in their fields as anyone who received a public school diploma.
I call the school bus that stops at our corner each morning, the “big yellow indoctrination wagon.”
There are testing options besides the GED. You can look for them on the Internet. We discovered that some colleges will take home-schooled children and give them entrance exams, and accept or refuse them on the results, with or without a diploma.
Two things:
Someone once said that to “socialize: your home-schooled kids just take ‘em in the bathroom, beat ‘em up, and steal their lunch money.” Just like public scrool!
This pathetic excuse for a human being, jorno-list, and American sums up (for me) how totally vapid “liberals” are on the subject of education:
http://www.salon.com/2006/04/17/narrowsburg/
P.S. I went to a public scrool attached to a university schrool of education back in the early 1960s. I’m still bitter about the experience to this day...
you wrote:
““Respected” and not being a joke are two different things.”
Are, not were.
“Harvard is respected, but Harvard is a joke.”
But no one thought thought that in the late 18th century.
Once again we are hearing from all talk and no action.
Does it bother you at all the the more rational members of your group do not support your methods/ attitude?
And of course no one would ever make such a statement with out definitive proof and sources to prove this. No that would never ever happen, especially by someone that claims to have an advanced degree.
And of course no one would ever make such a statement with out definitive proof and sources to prove this. No that would never ever happen, especially by someone that claims to have an advanced degree.
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