Posted on 11/27/2012 3:10:13 PM PST by VA Voter
You have to read about Shangri-la Poodles and the development of the Red Standard Poodle. The red standard was first developed by crossing a small standard apricot with a large red miniature. But, these early breeding attempts did not hold their color until the breeders started introducing a black standard in the breeding cycle about every 3 generations (I think it’s 3 — it’s been a while since I read all of this.)
My daughter owns a red standard male whose pedigree goes back to the Shangri-la Kennels. There was a parallel program going on in Oregon at the same time as Shangri-la, and all of the red standard poodles are derived from those 2 lines, I think. My daughter’s red male is out of Red Kismet of Leatherstocking Kennels in NY. I’ve forgotten the name of the dam. My grandchildren named him “Rusty” which (I think) irritated the breeder who was calling him JR. (Red Kismet, Jr. )
Some history here, including Leatherstocking and a picture of my daughter’s dog’s sire, Red Kismet:
http://www.bijoupoodles.com/Redhistory.html
Use a search engine and search for listserv standard poodle. This will turn up a listing of the mailing lists that only deal with standard poodles. That is all they want to talk about. I belong to a couple for Airedale Terriers and Cairn Terriers. These mailing lists are made up of breeders, owners, judges etc all over the world. They will know where all the litters are from reputable breeders and rescues. They also set up non show events for us normal owners. Great place to ask questions about you dog (health, behavior, first aid, trading issues.)
Be very careful when you deal with breeders. I am sure you have heard of puppy mills. Make sure you check out the breeders credentials with the AKC. No, I don’t belong to their organization but I do know they are very careful about accreditation of breeders.
I typed in my MD address since it’s not far from you; adjust accordingly.
http://www.akc.org/classified/search/index.cfm
Of course there are other registries and databases to help. I would check the Poodle Club of America.
Good luck. I personally cannot go from 1 dog to another just like that! I’d probably wait a year.
Not bad for an adult. Lots of German Shepherd Babies were going for $1000-1500 when I was last looking, even though I really wasn’t interested in any kind of competition, seriously. My current was cheap at $600.
ROFL I love your general experience juxtaposed with their myopic views of special dogs of a certain breed! I know a bit about breeders. Nowadays you’re required to jump every hoop to be acceptable to them. But basically, they hold you hostage with “deposits”. This was not standard when I got my first serious dog in the ‘80s, thank God. Otherwise I probably would not have had my most wonderful dog. But now getting a purebred is a PITA.
My brother is a veterinarian and he has absolutely no use for dog breeders.
The conformation breeders have gotten pretty nutty. Deposits, spay-neuter agreements, co-owner agreements, all sorts of weird stuff.
I haven't seen this with the performance breeders . . . YET. Most of them are quite sensible, even the top-flight breeders. I got a nice (if crazy) pup from probably the best breeder of field trial Labs in the country. It was very straightforward, we just corresponded and shook hands on the deal. Only requirement was to use the kennel name in her registered name.
It wasn't anyone's fault that she turned out to be EIC Affected. There was no genetic test for that condition until she was two years old. So I spayed her. She's still a very nice (if crazy) Lab, the retriever judges absolutely love her because she has that elusive quality called "style". Control, however, is still an issue!
Thanks! Very interesting reading. Confirms my opinion that dog breeding is still an art and not a science!
Yes, we were looking for a Greyhound one experience, and after several encounters of the worst kind decided it wasn’t worth our time. One’s appearance before these Lords of the Dogs only feeds their insatiable voids. Then another occasion a year, or perhaps two later we were looking for a Great Pyrenees, but SHEESH!!!
We have enough that come to us of their own free will having been either dumped, or having become lost after Fourth of July, or New Years celebrations drove them from their homes in panic. We’ve spent much time trying to find lost one’s homes over the many years all too often to no avail, so we care for them until their time.
Currently we are down to three dogs, fifteen cats, two guest cats, two horses, and one donkey.
Lucky you! German Shepherd people are nuts no matter what stripe of the many varieties there are. Since I disappeared from the dog world for a while I’m not sure who started it. My sister (RIP) and I both got GS starting in the ‘80s and had no problems though I went to AmShow and she went WorkingGerman lines. 15 years later everything was a pain, though she was sort of lucky because she used the son of her old breeders who was still sort of laid back. But now every Euro and American type demands this and that, especially money. I refuse to down-pay on a non-existent dog I may not like and may never get, anyway. Why should I lose money when I find a real dog elsewhere I like better?
When you personally visit breeders, as you should, there is no question what is a “mill” and what is not.
as someone else said, buy directly from breeder...my daughters poodle, black I found on the local internet. It was quite a drive but both mother and father were on the premisis....both had good dispositions...
LOL my GS is so anxious and excitable that I took several years to totally condition her to car rides. She LOVED the car - so much that the excitement + car motion made her sick. As with all puppies I took her lots of trips to acclimate her and I’d do everything gently, but it was several years before absolutely no more vomits. She would be so happy and giddy while riding that she’d throw up! LOL (I.e., neither just a ride nor just excitement makes her vomit - had to be a combo!)
I am never going to run field trials, and I am never going to run the Grand or the Master Nationals, so there's no need for me to pay absolutely top dollar for a puppy from the best field triallers in the country. You can get a very nice Lab that will hunt well for you, and pass hunting tests up to HRCH and MH, for between $700-$1,000. I paid $250 for mine (a steal), she's a peach and roared through her HR title in 3 straight passes. Not quite ready for Finished yet at 3 years old, but we'll get there.
But even the best are not THAT expensive - you might get up to $2-3K for a really outstanding breeding.
I’m a little far from you, 350 miles away in Southern Ohio, but I am a veterinarian. I have a breeder client who has standard poodles. She’s not fancy, but the dogs are very nice. I don’t know if she has any pups now, but if you have any interest get back with me and I’ll get you her information. By the way, I love my clients who are breeders. We work together to make healthy pups, even healthy bulldog (French and English) pups!
I have been lucky, of all the dogs I have had in my 73 years, none were vomiters. Beinging a nurse the only thing I had to do in the hospital that grossed me out was hold the emieis basin for someone to vomit into....couldn’t even watch them or I’d throw up along with the patient...And believe me I did a lot of things non-medical people would think was gross. Didn’t bother me in the least
Absolutely - I hate vomiting (people; much more gross than carnivores). It’s the major reason I say I wouldn’t be in medical. Blood I can generally handle; everything about vomiting I hate - sight, sound, product, smell. I don’t blame you.
My dog didn’t bother me much except I didn’t want the mess to clean in a car. She wasn’t bad when she grew up but occasionally the thrill would be too much. I think when Tara was 2 she had stopped having car problems. She still loves it, too.
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