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Argument over loud music led to teen's fatal shooting, cops say(Trayvon Martin redux?)
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 11-27

Posted on 11/27/2012 10:23:53 PM PST by Arthurio

A Brevard County man remained in jail late Tuesday, accused of shooting a teenager dead in an argument over loud music.

Michael David Dunn, 45, and his girlfriend were in Jacksonville Friday for Dunn's son's wedding when they stopped at a convenience store, Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob Schoonover said.

Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, Schoonover said.

Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.

Dunn's attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.

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1 posted on 11/27/2012 10:23:59 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio
Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice,

Very poor gun control.

2 posted on 11/27/2012 10:28:30 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Arthurio

Dunn’s a little high strung.

Thank a lot for muddying the waters jack wagon.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 10:30:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Arthurio

Not everything is a “Trayvon Martin”, where the guy is leaped on and is on the ground fighting for his life, and is already bloody and battered as he desperately squeezes off a shot that saves his life.

It isn’t fair to Zimmerman and to extreme self-defense cases, to keep using this “Trayvon” thing so casually and as a catch phrase.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 10:33:00 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

Good point.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 10:47:47 PM PST by PghBaldy (Pete Hoekstra RE: Petraeus scandal - "There's more here than meets the eye.")
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To: mylife
7 Common Mistakes of Concealed Carry Licensees & New Shooters

Mistake #1

6 posted on 11/27/2012 10:48:18 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Arthurio

We don’t know what kind of a weapon (if any) Davis pulled on Dunn. Dunn claims self-defense, but the story is silent about what he was defending against Is this silence intended to make the hooded corpse into another supposedly innocent boy victim?


7 posted on 11/27/2012 10:48:56 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Arthurio
... accused of shooting a teenager dead in an argument over loud music.

Not guilty.

8 posted on 11/27/2012 10:51:01 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: AZLiberty

Yeah, we don’t know anything yet.

This wasn’t a fact based list, or description, it is just a vague outline of something involving a shooting.

We don’t know squat, so it is too early to be drawing up scenarios, taking sides on various scenarios, and drifting into hardened positions as though we have a side to take, we don’t, we don’t know anything at this point.

But you know how these threads go.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 10:57:33 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: smokingfrog

#1 is a biggie.

Loud music at home? I call the cops.

Loud music at a convenience store? WTF?


10 posted on 11/27/2012 10:59:42 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Arthurio

Notice the pleasant, almost smiling demeanor on the victim as compared to the sullen, frowning face
of the shooter.

Not to mention the victim's first name being used exclusively in the article while only referencing
the shooter by his last name. Pretty easy to see how this story is going to be framed by the MSM....
....regardless of the facts.

Gotta feed the narrative.

11 posted on 11/27/2012 11:10:10 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Yeah. You can bet the Brown Shirt Media will have this story out front coast to coast. And on the satellites by dawn. Still nothing from them on Christian and his girlfriend for what, five years nw?


12 posted on 11/27/2012 11:14:08 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: mylife

There must be more to the story. Looks like he’s lawyered up for now. His GF was inside the store, so he couldn’t just leave. If he couldn’t shut out most of the noise by just keeping his windows rolled up, it must have been really loud.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 11:14:58 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Dunno the details but yer mobile and it’s a big wedding night.

It smells fishy.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 11:18:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Bratch

True enough.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 11:21:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: smokingfrog

Gunning someone down at the quick stop and then fleeing the scene and spending the night in a motel, doesn’t help one to appear like a man with a clean case of self-defense.


16 posted on 11/27/2012 11:24:43 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

yup


17 posted on 11/27/2012 11:33:48 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Arthurio

Well, I know how he feels. Many are the times I’ve wished I owned a bazooka.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 11:35:03 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ansel12

Gunning someone down at the quick stop and then fleeing the scene and spending the night in a motel, doesn’t help one to appear like a man with a clean case of self-defense

how is that stay and talk defense working out for zimmerman?


19 posted on 11/27/2012 11:37:35 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Well, that wasn’t the smartest post I’ve seen today.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 11:43:50 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Remember those massive boomboxes, that guys used to carry around, that was a strange phenomena.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 11:46:16 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

There is either drug abuse or alcohol abuse, by the shooter....in my humble opinion.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 12:19:14 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Arthurio
I do not understand how this is a Trayvon/Zimmerman ("T/Z") redux. The T/Z case stemmed from Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman to the point that he had to defend himself by shooting Trayvon. While a lot has been made about that case the facts indicate that is was legitimate self defense.

On the other hand, all we have here (based on the facts out so far) is that one person fired at another when words were exchanged due to loud music. I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with The T/Z scenario unless there are new facts that I haven't seen yet. This looks like a prosecutor's wet dream for murder. Disliking loud music, and a war of words, doesn't give someone the right to take a life.

Now, if it was a shootout, or the black kid drew a weapon on the shooter, that's another kettle of fish. But so far all we have is multiple shots from one person to the other vehicle. It's not looking too good for this guy unless evidence comes out showing it was a legitimate shooting.

23 posted on 11/28/2012 12:51:30 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Bazooka noise is probably way worse than a stupid car stereo. Even a magfull of nines are...


24 posted on 11/28/2012 1:13:54 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Arthurio

Well, I hope he did this AFTER the wedding.

Sometimes you go to a convenience store and see something you don’t like in the parking lot. Could be loud music, could be a couple doing a severe make-out session, could be a bunch of louts drinking beer, etc.

So, buy what you came to buy and get out of there. I don’t see an upside to confronting strangers and shooting and killing them over their obnoxious behavior in a parking lot.

I just don’t.


25 posted on 11/28/2012 1:33:13 AM PST by jocon307
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To: smokingfrog

Of course it was deafening....enough bass to rattle the store windows. That’s their way; it’s all about them, you see.

See/hear it all the time.

Recently, my lady friend’s boss (they run a security company; he’s a former 30-year detective) pulls into a convenience store, hears the same.....but there’s a little toddler strapped in that vehicle with the windows rolled up, baby mama inside the store. The kid was literally being tortured.

He called the cops. She was arrested on the spot.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 1:34:01 AM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Arthurio

I’ve been waiting for this to happen. This is not merely loud music, This is WAY beyond that. It’s extreme low frequency vibration that carries for blocks. And nobody is doing anything to stop it. Want to see what it looks like? Just google images “Subwoofers in Cars”. I knew somebody was gonna get hurt for this - eventually.


27 posted on 11/28/2012 1:49:39 AM PST by Musket (It's very simple:<i>your quoted text pasted here</i><p> produces Quoted Italic with paragraph break)
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To: ansel12

A wannabe gangster meets a REAL gangster?


28 posted on 11/28/2012 2:38:34 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Musket

You were waiting for someone to shoot 8 bullets at people who had no guns because their music was too loud?

Anyone who uses self-defense here is trying awfully hard to find it. Not saying it is not possible but nothing in this story points to it.


29 posted on 11/28/2012 2:40:37 AM PST by sakic
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To: Bratch
...as compared to the sullen, frowning face of the shooter.

It's a mug shot. Should the guy be smiling? What a field day they'd have with that.

30 posted on 11/28/2012 3:11:25 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Arthurio

Doesn’t sound like self defense, but we’ll have to wait to hear more.

That said, all the lefty sites are making this about “genocide” and “mass shootings of unarmed blacks”. I never, ever, ever read anything on those sites about the rampant black on white violence.


31 posted on 11/28/2012 3:38:29 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam Wants You Dead!)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

“I never, ever, ever read anything on those sites about the rampant black on white violence.”

That is why I couldn’t care less why this guy shot this kid; let somebody else care. I wouldn’t do it or defend it, but I literally couldn’t care less. It is like reading about 2 life forms on Jupiter battling it out.


32 posted on 11/28/2012 4:04:58 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ansel12

I never could understand why these a-holes think other people want tolisten to their sh*tty music, but they play it at deafening volume. It can actually make your car shake sitting next to it at a light.

They get all upset if you ask them to tone it down, like it is a personal insult.

The best thing is to avoid their neighborhoods, but sometimes you cannot. I have found that Bluegrass music played back at them is a bit like shoving a ice pick in their ears.LMAO


33 posted on 11/28/2012 4:18:10 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Arthurio

Well, did they turn the music down or not? I can’t believe the article doesn’t even say.


34 posted on 11/28/2012 4:19:04 AM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Arthurio

Hey! You can’t blame the man.

When I hear blaring African fertility rites shaking my car and home I go crazy.


35 posted on 11/28/2012 4:23:56 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: mylife
"Loud music at a convenience store? WTF?"

It is illegal.

36 posted on 11/28/2012 4:26:54 AM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: ansel12

Thank you.


37 posted on 11/28/2012 4:27:03 AM PST by wideawake
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To: sakic

I think this is not a Zimmerman matter i.e. where the prosecutor went out of her way to charge a crime where there is not one. Incidentally, she would be the prosecutor in this case too as the incident happened in Duval County.

From what has come out so far, it sounds like 2nd degree murder. I hope it does not drag the whole issue of stand your ground down with it because it is not so based on what has come out so far.

While I agree with the notion the Ramar of the Jungle music is aggravating, it is not justification to kill anyone not posing a real threat. The shooting happened in a section of town which is definitely not “the hood”.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 4:36:53 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Arthurio

Perhaps I missed something in the article, but I didn’t see where it said the shooter had a concealed carry permit.


39 posted on 11/28/2012 4:51:20 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Arthurio

Other than the fact that the published photo is one of the victim is wearing a hoodie, how is this Trayvon Martin redux?
Unless there are other pictures of the victim at age 8.
Big difference in fighting for your life at night while getting your head banged against the sidewalk and told you are going to be killed and blowing some fool away for turning up the volume on Snoop Dog.


40 posted on 11/28/2012 4:53:37 AM PST by chuckee
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To: Arthurio

Looks like Dunn’s lawyer is already badmouthing Zimmerman in the media. This Dunn guy is probably going to do 25 to life. Nice wedding day memory for his son.


41 posted on 11/28/2012 4:54:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Arthurio

I wonder if verbal threats constitute a reason for lethal force?

I’m sure the conversation didnt’ go like this:
Dunn: Please turn down your stereo.
Russel: No sir!

Cops are the only ones alowed to shoot menacing unarmed people and restrained dogs.


42 posted on 11/28/2012 4:59:38 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: umgud; All

We are only getting the side put out by Jordan’s friends. Dunn says he saw a gun in the SUV, and the SUV fled the scene after he shot.

If this is true, Dunn did not have any certainty whether he hit anyone or not. If a gun had been pulled on him, the other people in the SUV had plenty of time to dispose of it before the police searched the car.

Here is a link to a Gannet story where Dunn’s girlfreind says that the SUV was gone from the convenience store when she came back outside.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20121126/NEWS01/311250063/Brevard-resident-arrested


43 posted on 11/28/2012 5:19:20 AM PST by marktwain
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Gunning someone down at the quick stop and then fleeing the scene and spending the night in a motel, doesn’t help one to appear like a man with a clean case of self-defense.

What was left out, was that Dunn claims that he was threatened with a gun, and that the SUV with the people who threatened him fled the scene after he shot. If this is so he could not be certain anyone was even hit, there was no "scene" left for him to show to police, and there was plenty of time and opportunity for Jordan's friends to sanitize the SUV and concoct a story that there never was any threat made against Dunn.

44 posted on 11/28/2012 5:23:57 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Usagi_yo
"I wonder if verbal threats constitute a reason for lethal force?"

Regardless of circumstances, it all boils down to 1). Prosecutorial discretion; 2). Being able to convince a jury. As the Martin/Zimmerman case demonstrates. Nothing is certain after you pull the trigger. Well, actually, the only certainty is needing an attorney.


45 posted on 11/28/2012 5:33:55 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Arthurio; All

I hope that the police have separated all the people who were in the SUV with Jordan, and got statements under oath from all of them. If a story was concocted in order to cove for criminal actions, you can usually determine it this way. Inconsistancies will creep in. Most groups of people cannot agree to enough details to hold a cover story together.

I wonder how much later they reported the shooting. Did they drive Jordan directly to the hospital? That is what you would ordinarily expect.


46 posted on 11/28/2012 5:36:05 AM PST by marktwain
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I see a big problem here in that Dunn did not contact the police right after the shooting.

The police tend to take the first people reporting as the “victim”. Dunn had a lot to consider. There was no body or vehicle to even show that there was a shooting. If he involves the police, he is likely to miss his son's wedding. He does not even know if anyone has been hit.

He should have reported it, to get his side on the record, even if it made him late for the wedding, because criminals often make up stories that put them in the best possible light.

Jordan's friends in the SUV had lots of time to consider their story, and plenty of motive to come up with a good one and to sanitize the scene to their advantage.

They had the whole Trayvon Martin episode to act as an example of what they should concoct.

47 posted on 11/28/2012 5:53:39 AM PST by marktwain
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To: AZLiberty
Is this silence intended to make the hooded corpse into another supposedly innocent boy victim?

Well, yeah. It's exactly the same narrative. Forget the pesky details. Mean old white man with scowl shoots doe eyed honor student. Racism!

48 posted on 11/28/2012 6:07:18 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: marktwain; ansel12; umgud; wideawake
In my opinion, Dunn will probably be spending the next several decades as a guest of the state. This shooting, as I said in an earlier post, has no similarities at all with the Trayvon/Zimmerman incident. The shooting of Trayvon Martin was, based on the evidence, possessive of sufficient facets for a good attorney to argue that it was viable self-defense. Actually one wouldn't even need a good attorney ...an average one would do. The only reason for a good attorney would be to mitigate against the bias-effect stemming from media coverage of that case.

This incident, however, is not in any way similar to the Trayvon/Zimmerman shooting. The shooter fired 8-9 times into an occupied vehicle, claiming that he did so because he felt threatened. Well, he needs to prove that he had a sufficient reason to feel threatened, because so far it looks like there was an argument (with expletives and threats most probably) and things got out of hand, and his response was to settle a verbal argument with gunfire. All that is coming out so far is his lawyer is claiming it was 'self defense' (and per the several articles I've read saying nothing more, with one saying there were negative comments about the Zimmerman case). Was there a gun in the other car? There could have been an RPG-7 with a miniaturized thermobaric warhead, but without evidence of its presence it was never there.

As it stands, even without the media getting involved, this man shot at a highschool kid because of an argument over loud music. Even without any extraneous 'acceleration' that is quite damming. Throw in the media coming in on the tailends of the Trayvon/Zimmerman case, with the same prosecutor, and this man is finished.

Add to this that he left the scene, which would make sense if he was leaving (as he claims ...or was it some FReeper here) to avoid the chance that the people in the car were 'thugs' and more thugs would be coming. That would have made sense ...had he left to go straight to a police station and report what happened. However, that's not what he did, was it? He leaves and goes to a motel. His number is jotted down by witnesses. Witnesses who saw a shooting where the shooter appears to have fled the scene (and I use 'appears' loosely since it does seem that he actually fled the scene). And he only turns himself up when the story hits the evening news, with a chance that witness descriptions of the shooter/vehicle came up. Also not good.

The only way this guy is avoiding prison time is if CCTV shows the occupants of the other vehicle brandishing a weapon. Somehow I doubt such evidence will come up, and I also doubt it happened that way. This was probably a 'nice person' who was having a bad day and events just pushed him over the edge, and he responded in a manner that I believe he wishes he didn't. Unfortunately in the eyes of the law he killed someone over what appears to be verbal disagreement due to loud music.

Completely dissimilar to the Trayvon/Zimmerman case, and to be honest I would say that prosecutors pray for such cases because they are open and shut for the most part. Unless some CCTV evidence comes out this man will be spending a lot of time warming up to Bubba and Tyrone.

Bottom line: Without evidence to the contrary, what you have here is a person who shot at a car based on a verbal argument. This is different from the Zimmerman case, and different from the other case of the black lady who shot a white man that was attacking her car. In both of those cases a good lawyer can mount an effective defense. In this case? I hope he is a praying man, because only a veritable miracle would have a chance of saving him. This is a prosecutor's dream case.

49 posted on 11/28/2012 8:31:04 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: ansel12

I left off the /s-a so actually it ws pretty smart


50 posted on 11/28/2012 8:41:06 AM PST by rolling_stone
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