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Wanted: Another Patrick Henry

Posted on 11/29/2012 3:24:30 PM PST by Jacquerie

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To: RoosterRedux

Is this some kind of Boomer thing because I don’t get it? We are all Patrick Henry and the Constitution is set up for all of us to be just that. The Founders weren’t into the whole ‘raise up a leader’ thing.

This isn’t that hard: 1) Win state legislatures in ‘14, 2) Get voter ID on the books and defend it in court and end election day registration, as well as other voting related tweaks 3) limit union bargaining, make them pay their share for insurance and pensions, and stop the state from collecting dues, 4) balance state budgets and conduct major tax reform if necessary, 5) take any other step to cut off the Dems at the knees.

We all need to get off our butts and make it happen.


21 posted on 11/29/2012 9:06:34 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Jacquerie

Excellent Post!

Is there a Henry to provide the spark in our political house to rouse the people from resistance to action?

I don’t know - I’m not heavy in the political realm - so if there is - I would hope that all would rally with him/her and turn the situation around. At the moment, it seems the majority is the lazy mob to worried about individual concerns than a nation that protects them and provides basic freedoms...I would say Reagan was the last of them...and I’m glad I grew up under his administration!


22 posted on 11/30/2012 5:16:37 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: BCW

Thank you.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 10:45:31 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: AZLiberty

He’d be rewarded, either way.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 3:35:18 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Jacquerie
Upon further contemplation and rereading of parts of Frothingham's 1872 history, Patrick Henry's words take on even more significance in light of certain Executive Branch assertions in recent days and months in the America of 2012.

Chapter VII, beginning on P. 249, of Frothingham's "The Rise of the Republic . . . ." focuses on "artibrary Royal Instructions" issued by the crown which, in effect, were viewed as making "the claim that the king's instructions had the force of law, or that the people were under a personal government." The Royal Instructions were "everywhere contested," according to Frothingham, and gave rise to widespread opposition through every means available among those who advocated for liberty.

It would be hard to imagine that any individual who reads this Chapter VII will not be able to see parallels between the 1700's actions of King George III, his "Royal Instructions," and recent actions of the current Administration which seems intent upon exerting extra-Constitutional edicts and powers over "the People's" rights and liberty.

The question is, as you have suggested here, will there be a Patrick Henry, or a collection of learned and deeply-devoted advocates for liberty who will arise and enlighten current and rising generation to their natural rights to life, liberty, property and "the Blessings of Liberty" protected by their Constitution?

Frothingham's Chapter VII recounts the leading role of Jefferson, the Adamses, Dabney Carr, Patrick Henry and others, in giving voice to sentiments of liberty and union of purpose, and in forming Committees of Correspondence to aid in the circulation of ideas favorable to that purpose.

Somewhere, a former contributor to this site, John Armor (Congressman BillyBob), must smile at this discussion, as we remember that his final published work was on the life and words of Patrick Henry.

25 posted on 12/01/2012 12:36:51 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

Most excellent find. Henry, like Franklin, were quintessential Americans. Despite humble births, they rose to great heights of honor.

The Rise of the Republic . . . should be the text of a two semester class in every US High School.

How many more patriots rather than socialists would face their first Presidential ballot at age 18?


26 posted on 12/01/2012 2:36:49 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: loveliberty2

BTW, have you read Gordon S. Wood’s “The Creation of the American Republic?” He reads like a Mark Levin on steroids, down in the weeds of Whig philosophy.


27 posted on 12/01/2012 2:51:25 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Owl558

“You’d think that with all the loudmouths, absolutism, declarative statements, and posturing that goes on on this site that there are 1000 FReeper Patrick Henrys out there, but there are not.”

I wouldn’t think that. I’m a keyboard warrior, same as most everybody else here.
I like the secession threads that totally overlook the fact that we can’t even manage to get a candidate we can agree on through a primary, and yet somehow we’re going to secede from the union.

I’m a middle aged white guy who has led a decent but mostly unremarkable life.
It’s fun to post here about revolution and secession and Patrick Henry because it’s a form of adult “Cowboys and Indians”

The reality is that I’m going to keep doing what I’ve always done and try to hold things together as best I can. Vote for the best option, pay my bills and try to put a little something back for a rainy day.

On another note, I’d be willing to bet that at least of the people here would be cheering these same policies if it were the GOP implementing them.

JMHO but a lot of this is just the same as sports rivalry and because it’s all anonymous it’s easy to daydream about what we would do if only.....(insert movie hero scenario here)


28 posted on 12/01/2012 3:20:45 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: Jacquerie
Yes, both Frothingham and JQA's "Jubilee," in my opinion, combined, along with the observations of the ideas and developments in America by Edmund Burke, in his 1775 "Speech on Conciliation," provide special insight into the "seedbed of ideas" surrounding America's founding. All would make good material for a course--perhaps an online course could become useful.

Another benefit of Frothingham's work is that his footnotes provide additional resources for study.

Have read some of Wood's histories and essays, although he dwells rather heavily on the idea of "democracy," instead of the "democratic republic" focus of JQA, or the "Republic, if you can keep it" insistence of Franklin.

In the Introduction to one of his books, he does, however, point out some of the issues related to what he called 20th Century "Progressive historians" like Beard, one of the most widely used texts for teaching students for many years.

29 posted on 12/01/2012 4:01:07 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Jacquerie
Before we leave this thread entirely, may I suggest one other book which proved a helpful resource some years ago, because it contained great quotations, was well organized, and contained some good info on more contemporary historians such as Beard and his faulty "economic history." Long cites info about Beard's own admissions about the work, none of which were ever publicized to the generations who had been classroom hostages of his less-than-accurate portrayals of the Founders.

It is "The American Ideal of 1776," by Hamilton Abert Long, first published in 1963, and republished for the 1776 Bicentennial.

30 posted on 12/01/2012 6:04:41 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2
Well, that is not what I took from his exhaustive work in “The Creation . . . “ The newly independent republics initially went way too far toward the popular, “leveling,” as Gorham termed it.

Burke is superb. An Englishman was indeed the worst possible person to talk another into slavery. He illustrated how gentlemen could, in so many words call the king and his ministers a collection of idiots.

As for Beard, his “An Economic Interpretation . . . “ wasn't nearly as hamfisted as I expected it to be. It bothered me not that successful men held government securities. However, I do not doubt what the progressives did with his discoveries. They had far too much time to abuse the men of our Framing before McDonald challenged them so very well.

31 posted on 12/02/2012 4:04:05 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: loveliberty2

That is a terrific source.


32 posted on 12/02/2012 4:22:52 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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