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The Inconceivable Embarrassment From Cold Fusion
New Energy and Fuel ^ | Dec 10 2012 | Anon

Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog

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To: count-your-change
No use? This report says the Japanese can now convert tungsten to platinum, a major catalyst, and a more common rare earth into a less common one that's needed to manufacture modern magnets.

Those two items are, to say the least, EARTH SHATTERING~!

Then there's that calcium swap up to aluminum ~ I think they threw that one in there for college students to try out in laboratories all over the world.

Then they didn't tell you about the really good stuff that's going to give us super batteries.

121 posted on 12/13/2012 6:45:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

not connected as far as I know but the Nips don’t want to be beholden to China which is the world’s major rare earths producers


122 posted on 12/13/2012 6:48:28 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: TXnMA
"Nice of you to take the time to read my FRProfile... ;-)"

Yeah, I shoulda.....but didn't.

Your current status is where I hope to be in a bit, though my exile is "up west" rather than "up east". Washington state isn't "quite" as liberal as Massachusetts, but it's getting there fast.

I'd really "like" to move back to Louisiana, but my allergies are a total barrier to that. My "target" location is south-central Texas, a bit west of San Antonio.

123 posted on 12/13/2012 6:49:06 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Gee whiz, I raised both ~ and when it comes to ducks, I can quack and call them down out of the sky. And that is a most useful trick. One of my cousins (at several removes) can get wild ducks to jump up into his arms.

We both descend from a Great Great Great grandfather who carried his pet rooster with him during the Revolutionary War ~ one of Francis Marian's top three volunteers too ~ and went into every major battle in the Southern campaigns with that rooster. We think it has something to do with birds loving us. He and his father used to run a pheasant farm in Kansas/Nebraska, but gave it up when they moved to Oklahoma.

124 posted on 12/13/2012 6:51:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: arthurus

The Israelis definitely like to keep this sort of thing secret as long as they can.


125 posted on 12/13/2012 6:52:50 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: count-your-change
As a matter of research for its own sake, cold fusion passes the test, anything beyond that is obsessive hope.

One ray of hope is that Yasuhiro Iwamura actually has credentials, publications, citations, and backing. He's a research scientist for Mitsubishi, which has published his LENR research in their technical journal.

Given the importance of "face" in Japanese culture, I don't think Mitsubishi would allow a complete flake on their staff and publishing under their name.

126 posted on 12/13/2012 6:56:21 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Wonder Warthog; from occupied ga
Obama's proposed changes to the CAFE standards will definitely require 100 mpg carburators on the smaller cars, 'cause the standards won't work for the "fleet' otherwise.

So, let me put it to everybody this way, our "Present" and his cronies believe in 100 mpg carburators, and if you don't then you don't know what's good for you!

BTW, you guys did follow the threads where I pieced together the links between Obama's energy department's alternative energy sources and the fellows in that program who've been working with Rossi for decades ~ right? The Italians just arrested a bunch of mafioso in Sicily who've been suppressing alternative energy researchers and programs in Italy and Sicily so they could boost sales of windmills ~ because, lo and behold, they were extorting money out of the windmill makers and the power companies who use windmills. Some don named Dino in fact!

One of the more apparently outrageous claims Rossi ever made was the mafia actually tried to put him out of the alternative energy business.

Well, I guess maybe they did ~ and I continue to have suspicions of involvement with the mafia on the part of some of Rossi's detractors on these threads. Doesn't mean he's right, but he certainly must have been a mafia target if anyone was!

127 posted on 12/13/2012 7:00:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625
Billions have been spent on hot fusion and cold fusion a mere pittance by comparison. One is better understood than the other but the end results are the same. Grand explanations of potential benefits sometime away over the horizon.
128 posted on 12/13/2012 7:13:53 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: muawiyah

I thought mafia targets ended up floating face down Jamaica bay. 0bama’s cafe standards are trying to repeal the first law of thermodynamics. Not going to happen. Only way to get that is to make the vehicles ridiculously light or horribly underpowered or both. There is only a limited amount of energy in a gal of gasoline, and the second law says you can only get a certain fraction of it as useful work. Mandating absurdly high mileage standards is like passing a law to repeal gravity. You can pass the law, but gravity is still going to be there.


129 posted on 12/13/2012 7:19:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TXnMA

Rubber tires were in use long before anyone knew much about the science of polymers. This board gives a history of the commercialization, engineering, and science behind rubber tires: http://www.rubber.org/100th-anniversary2


130 posted on 12/13/2012 7:19:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: dennisw
That "we got stuff" news hit on November 12 ~ with some stories from older news ~ I took it to be a "we got stuff and we ain't tellin' you where we got it' sort of announcement.

The Japanese opened a rare earth mine in Kazakhstan too ~ but not all the news was in that ~ just a mine opening.

131 posted on 12/13/2012 7:29:17 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kevmo; Wonder Warthog
Thank you for the

http://lenr-canr.org/index/menu/menu.php

link.

Collecting and publishing all 3936 of those references was certainly a laborious task and a worthy contribution to the literature on the subject.

I particularly admire the online format. IMHO, that could well be the prototype for a superior standard for online bibliography / reference list formats.

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Of course, one can hardly miss the third reference -- and hope that it is not indicative of the standard of quality applied for inclusion in the list... '-)

Nonetheless, thank you for the link!

132 posted on 12/13/2012 7:54:11 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: count-your-change
"One is better understood than the other but the end results are the same."

Not really. LENR has already had "overunity" results. On a small scale, true....but the energy density in some experiments is already greater than that found in fission fuel elements.

133 posted on 12/13/2012 8:35:13 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: TXnMA
"Nonetheless, thank you for the link!"

You're welcome. And having actually taken the time to follow that link puts you among a truly select few of those who have hit these LENR threads. Normally that link works like garlic on a vampire.

Jed Rothwell and Ed Storms have done science a great service by collecting and collating all that info and making it widely available.

134 posted on 12/13/2012 8:40:16 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: muawiyah
Thanks for the "rubber history" link!

I read down thru #52 and remembered that, when I was in college chemistry, the Thiokol solid rocket propellant plant was nearby. So, when I learned polysulfide rubber was called "Thiokol" rubber, I made my own "propellant" by synthesizing a batch of polysulfide rubber and adding potassium nitrate as an oxidizer. It worked, but left a residue. (I later learned that Thiokol used ammonium perchlorate as their oxidizer...)

135 posted on 12/13/2012 8:47:51 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Sorry, NOT excused. Far too much Rossi GARBAGE in the past. Otherwise, it's been like trying to find a needle in a haystack. With both you and another (the other more so, becoming exceedingly brittle) taking it real personal, then getting nasty & insultingly condescending whenever anyone expresses doubts.

So get off your high horse, and quite pretending NO ONE ever looks. That is simply not true. And to the extent it is, why should they wade through hours & hours of extraneous stuff that appears marginal & pathological (as great deal of the LENR stuff most certainly HAS appeared to be)?. After those experiences, they're supposed to forget, and accept related field claims, unquestioningly? Then go spend more hours digging? That's asking for a bit much. The last Italian, with his own complaint concerning others not getting the same results he did, doesn't help. Yes, I followed links, spent time, went and LOOKED.

All of that said, if the Mitsubishi report has any truth to it, then it is more confirmation of claims of slight (as to amounts of material involved), but significant change, one metal changing to another. One problem is that others have made similar claims (like Rossi!) that went nowhere, ended up looking fake from start to finish.

Meanwhile still, again due to all the Rossi crapola we've been subjected to, and worse (scientism on the religion forum? under a ecumenism tag?) the well has been poisoned here, on this forum. It will take a while for it to be cleaned of the taint. Face it, that's the truth!

Stick with the science of it that might be found, and stop the damn whining "nobody looks". I could care less about your "feelings". This is FR. People are going to make wise-guy comments. It comes with the territory. If you can't hack it, take a hike. Find another forum to discuss the particular issue on. OR, don't take it so personal when naysayers either make wise-cracks, express doubt, or question the claims, plucking at them, attempting to see if the process itself was flawed, etc.

136 posted on 12/13/2012 8:53:31 AM PST by BlueDragon (I sang Dixie as he died The people just walked on by as I cried...)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Yeah, the same. Just great buckets of potential and oceans of hype.


137 posted on 12/13/2012 8:58:32 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"...the energy density in some experiments is already greater than that found in fission fuel elements. "

If that is a fact, I would, indeed, be leery of firing up one of those reactors in my garage or basement -- without first having a good understanding of WTH is occurring.

138 posted on 12/13/2012 9:01:51 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: count-your-change

Actually, things might just work. Though the “tattoo” talk in the article is just so much flame-baiting.


139 posted on 12/13/2012 9:31:53 AM PST by BlueDragon (I sang Dixie as he died The people just walked on by as I cried...)
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To: TXnMA
"If that is a fact, I would, indeed, be leery of firing up one of those reactors in my garage or basement -- without first having a good understanding of WTH is occurring."

That, or a good many thousands of hours of testing under "stressed" conditions. Best situation is "both" of course.

140 posted on 12/13/2012 10:16:00 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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