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Make 2013 the year you switch to Linux
PC World ^ | 1 January 2013 | Katherine Noyes

Posted on 01/03/2013 6:52:26 AM PST by ShadowAce

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To: ShadowAce
Make 2013 the year you switch to Linux

Too late!!

61 posted on 01/03/2013 1:47:17 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Notary Sojac

Just my opinion, YMMV, but FSX and the new P3D smoke everything else out there. I own Xplane, and it’s so not what they say it is, the scenery is basic at best, the uber-real aerodynamics don’t fly like what I know. You’re just going to have to have a dedicated gaming rig running W7, and play with Linux on some other computer. Like I say, that’s just my opinion, but you may like Xplane. If so, you can use linux for that. I don’t know about the GPU, but linux is pretty good at keeping up with drivers for the cards out there.

I love Linux, but it’s gotten too cumbersome to try to keep up with all the dual boots and other installations in my house, so I gave it up. I don’t have the time any more. I keep a few disks about, as they come in handy sometimes. My neighbor’s HD died and I booted her computer with a live CD and gave her strict instructions not to turn it off until her replacement drive arrived. Just so I wouldn’t have to come over and set up the printer again, otherwise she could have shut it off. She got along fine with it.


62 posted on 01/03/2013 5:37:34 PM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: ShadowAce
How about those of us who are technologically challenged and use the computer for Word, Excel, e-mail, Facebook, and my university applications - nothing too esoteric?

Can I just keep Windows 7 until Linux becomes easier to transition over to?

63 posted on 01/03/2013 7:24:41 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: FredZarguna
people who can barely master a consumer OS

That's me.

How long can I hold on to Windows 7 if Windows 8 is that bad? Usually a lousy release is followed later by a good release that fixes all the screw-ups of the earlier release.

64 posted on 01/03/2013 7:29:37 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: ctdonath2; Notary Sojac
the average user

That's me.

I use my personal computer for Word, Excel, e-mail, Facebook, and my university applications - nothing too esoteric.

How long can I hold on to Windows 7 if Windows 8 is that bad? Usually a lousy release is followed later by a good release that fixes all the screw-ups of the earlier release.

***AND/OR***

Can I just keep Windows 7 until Linux becomes easier to transition over to?

65 posted on 01/03/2013 7:40:16 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: ShadowAce

Guess they decided that whole Win 95 interface thing wasn’t working out after all, so they went back to the Win 3.1 UI. ;)


66 posted on 01/03/2013 8:40:13 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ctdonath2
It’s improving, but still has a core requirement that the user be able to deal with “oops, oh, just type this obscure incantation...”

Having tried every major (about 10) Linux distros, and trying to get the same functionality as i get in Windows as a power user, that is much my opinion, though i am sympathetic to those who like it, and think it has potential.

But as you can buy a W/8 upgrade now (till Jan. 31) for about 43.00 (w/ taxes) and just install the Classic Shell freeware if you do not want metro, then maybe less will switch right now.

67 posted on 01/03/2013 8:42:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ShadowAce

The question is not what it can play, but what it cannot legally play in the US without buying proprietary codecs, due to license issues.


68 posted on 01/03/2013 8:44:12 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: PapaNew
Two things:

1) I think Windows 8 is a fine OS, actually has some technical improvements over Windows 7. The only annoying thing about it is the mobile-looking "Metro" panel instead of the desktop/start menu everyone is used to. It's NOT a turkey like Windows Me or the (IMHO greatly overly) maligned Vista. However, you can get to familiar territory easily enough, and there are already third party products to make the look and feel of W8 pretty much the same as W7.

It has better performance than W7.

2) The current statement with regards to support from Microsoft can be found here, among many other places: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010820/how-long-will-microsoft-support-windows-7.html It will NOT get shorter. As was the case with XP, it may well be longer. The short-take is that the level of support most people actually use will be be available until 2020.

69 posted on 01/03/2013 9:00:27 PM PST by FredZarguna (Funded by Arab oil money, so you know it's objective and altruistic.)
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To: PapaNew
Can I just keep Windows 7

Our company, with over 4000 users and many high security storage needs, is still on Windows XP so I do not think you will have a problem.

MS will provide security updates for Win 7 until 2020.

FWIW, I have concerns as expressed above about Linux but I would take it over the current incarnation of Win 8 in a heartbeat.

70 posted on 01/04/2013 4:31:59 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: PapaNew

“Can I just keep Windows 7 until Linux becomes easier to transition over to?”

Not really. Windows 7 will stagnate as new versions develop. Linux has always promised “ready for the average user soon” and never has, and never will, deliver.

I’m upgrading to OS X from Windows XP.


71 posted on 01/04/2013 4:46:12 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: FredZarguna

Well said, though i would like to see MS face better competition from Linux, while the ability to easily customize Windows via 3rd party apps without learning DOS type commands has always been a real strength.

I do find uses for Linux, and just gave an old PC away running the latest Puppy, which is very fast, but you cannot even right click on an icon in the Start menu and make a shortcut or find its target.However, for just using the Internet to do homework and word processing it should be fine.Thank God for Firefox and OpenOffice (or Libre)

But besides the learning curve, which often means one has to learn coding, there are dozens of distros and some real differences btwn them, and what you might have to go thru to get a printer to work, plus the illegal codecs necessary for full media capability, etc. etc. (just read Linux forums), should temper the “Desktop ready” crowd.

I expect Google is working on its own version of Linux, which has MS worried, as then you could see a real challenge as they focus on one flavor with the resources to improve and promote it. As it is though, i do not even use Chrome, as for me it lacks the ability of Firefox with extensions (Chrome cannot even do multiple row tabs).

But i thank God for the variety and freedom to choose. If only they were all used for good according to His “OS.”


72 posted on 01/04/2013 5:33:13 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: PapaNew

I am on a W7 laptop right now, but run the W/8 evaluation on a 7 year old PC that was running XP, and if you run Classic Shell (http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/) on W.8 you should like it. It is rated slightly faster than W/7, even on older PCs (and the upgrade is only 43.00 til Jan 31. But if you have W/7 there is no need to change) But learn the hot keys (Windows key and “e” or “i” etc )


73 posted on 01/04/2013 5:40:40 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Notary Sojac

With the low cost upgrade til Jan. 31, and support for XP running out next year(?), then they might be smart to upgrade now. But see post 73 above.


74 posted on 01/04/2013 5:45:12 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: FredZarguna

The trouble with computer geeks is they think everyone else is a computer geek. My wife checks her yahoo email and facebook. That’s all she does. I set her up with Windows XP but she could probably run Windows 98 and not know the difference.


75 posted on 01/04/2013 5:54:19 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: daniel1212
I have been running Classic Shell on Win 7 ever since I installed 7 back in late 2010.

Would you say that Classic Shell on Win 8 basically gives an identical interface to the Win 7 version??

76 posted on 01/04/2013 7:26:18 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: ShadowAce
I agree with most knowledgeable posters here. Until a version of Linux comes out exclusively for the desktop that common people can use and understand, it will never work.

I understand that Linux is more stable and I don't think anyone is arguing that aspect of the issue, but until we can click on Install.exe in Linux and have it install as easily as it does in Windows, this discussion is over.

77 posted on 01/04/2013 3:14:05 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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