What we have here is person A who hired person B to kill person C.
In the process person A accidentally got killed.
Yet we are supposed to consider person A as being equally a victim as person B?
I understand the political rationale behind making the “mother” a victim rather than a perpetrator, but that doesn’t change the obvious facts.
It appears to me to be an extreme version of “the woman is always a victim, no matter what she does” meme.
Whenever a woman kills her kids, we are flooded with stories explaining how she was pushed into doing so by post-partum depression, stress, an abusive or inconsiderate husband, etc.
But when a man kills his kids, we NEVER see any sympathetic stories about what may have “driven” him to do so. Leaving the distinct impression that he was just an evil man.
It’s the difference between the way men and women who have committed identical actions are portrayed that I object to.
Should be: Yet we are supposed to consider person A as being equally a victim as person C?
Sorry, alphabetical confusion.
You’re absolutely right; nobody can argue with what you’ve said.
But you may as well be shouting into the wind as to make that point around her. When the deaf ears of the FR pro-lifers realize it’s clear that you’re right and they’re wrong, why then you’ll be challenged to produce your baby-saving record to be compared against theirs. And if you can’t tell a good heart-rending, tear-jerking tale of heroism in the face of Planned Parenthood, well then it’s “shut yer piehole and move along, fella.”
It’s a sad state of affairs, and betrays less-than-noble motives among some within the pro-life ranks.
First, go back and read what I and others have written to him. Did any of us say that the mother did no wrong or has no guilt?
Second, note how the whole idea he expresses is a strawman. The idea is that we excuse every wrong thing the poor little miss ever did and believe (and tell her) that she was pretty much abducted off the street by monsters and forced to have an abortion.
Third, how is it that saying to a woman "You could end up like this if you have an abortion" absolves her of the wrong in the act? For example, if we showed high school kids the autopsy photos of drunk drivers, are we saying, "this guy was a victim" or are we saying, "Don't end up like this fool?"
Notice, BTW, that the whole rationale for calling this girl in the brochure a murderer is that if we call her a victim or don't call her anything and just lay out the facts, girls will still want to have abortions and be like her. But if we call her a murderer, they will say, "I was willing to be victimized or dead, but I wouldn't want to be a dead murderer, so I'll never have an abortion." Does that make sense?
Fourth, forget a political rationale, because that isn't the point, and no matter what we say the Ledties and their media allies will say we're condemning women and abusing them. The point is a ministry rationale. On the one hand, Jesus did not relate to sinners the way the garbage purveyor upthread is saying we must relate to them. Take a look at how He handled the Samaritan woman at the well, for instance. He didn't excuse her behavior, but He didn't go Gunnery Sergeant Hartman on her about her being slutty. He portrayed the truth of the situation and the road out. That's what speaking the truth in love is. The gospels do not record any conversations He may have had with the woman who poured perfume on His feet, but is there any real thought in your mind that he approached her sin in the same way LearsFool is saying we must approach the sin of some girl who is thinking about having an abortion?
I serve a Lord that wouldn't even condemn the guys torturing him to death, but to do that I'm supposed to go hammer and tongs on some scared 15 year old instead of saying, "You will ruin your life if you do this, there are other options?"
Fourth, even if we take that approach, we're supposed to direct more ire toward the woman who is killing one person than the person who is killing dozens on a weekly basis?
Fifth, do you really think these women don't realize that they are killing another human being? There are some who don't because they've been told the "lump of cells" crap, but even they know it's wrong, that you don't get pregnant with a fish or a tomato. The Samaritan woman at the well knew she was a fornicator who had a screwed up life, too.
Basically, the premises being put forward don't make any sense on their face, and they sure as shooting aren't biblical.