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To: SamAdams76
On balance I think I agree with most of what you've said, and I think many here would too. I think we digress at the point of how this came to pass.

I am old enough to have observed societal changes that began in earnest in the late sixties. Woman demanded men change. Within the span of a generation and insidious liberal pop culture, the workplace became a place where a man dare not exert influence over a woman for fear of actual legal jeopardy and/or subtle, but real, career derailment.

Now just look at every single commercial ad on TV or elsewhere. Look at any output of pop culture, particularly TV and movies. Let's look at ANY TV commercial for instance, the white male is ALWAYS the weaker, dumber, clueless, disadvantaged person — always. Whenever I see a new commercial with a black guy and a white guy, I instantly know the black guy is going to be the hero and the white guy the buffoon. Same with any such depiction of a man and a woman. The grown man will be shown to have the maturity of an adolescent who needs the woman to straighten him out and show him the way.

One other thing that drives me absolutely wild is I now see women driving while the man is sitting in the passenger seat when the kids may or may not be in the back. Yes, I know there may be some occasional mitigating reasons (health, etc.) but I absolutely want to scream when I see this! When did men abdicate their manliness and their family leadership?

I guess the point is society (mostly liberal evilness via feminism) has demanded - demanded - that men stand down. And over the course of about one generation men have complied and we are where we are now. Many men are either wimps, emotional adolescents, or being low-key (not publicly being a standout example) about their place.

It is very sad. I am not raising my sons this way, but I do fear for the plight of both men and women. I think the majority of men will continue to shrink back and the majority of women will seek to try and dominate and BOTH will grow even more miserable!

298 posted on 01/12/2013 8:39:20 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Obadiah
I would say I drive the car 90% of the time in our relationship but there are times when I think it is better that she drive. She doesn't drink alcohol so when I've had a few, she is the perfect designated driver. It does look kind of odd however to see a woman driving with a man in the passenger seat. Think of a man clinging to a woman's arm in public. Just not natural. Though when I've had more than just a few, I'm sure I had to do that once or twice back in my younger days!

I do think the whole women's lib thing is a cop-out for guys. Women like a man to take charge. If a man feels he has to "shrink back" and let a woman dominate, then he is just not asserting himself enough.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating a caveman/cavewoman approach where the man drags the woman behind him. But the man in the relationship does need to project the power and authority necessary for a woman to feel comfortable being submissive to him. This feeds the man's natural desire to protect and provide and the woman's natural desire to be protected and taken care of.

307 posted on 01/12/2013 9:55:22 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Obadiah

“I now see women driving while the man is sitting in the passenger seat when the kids may or may not be in the back”

In city close proximity driving, because of the physiological characteristics of how women visually focus, they perceive the potential for collisions differently (and inaccurately) from men and are often quite anxious, needing to feel in control of the wheel.(a Christian Physician doing a Focus on the Family segment explained the mechanics of female focalization verses male visual focalization) Hence the distracting bickering that can occur while the man is trying to drive...even in very good marriages.

Sometimes it is better to let the wife drive in city situations as it negates one needless hassle. In my situation, my wife is quite happy when I drive the “long haul” highway miles while she reads, knits or sews but in close city driving we find it is better that she have the wheel!

I agree with your other points, but your points concerning the driving habits of husbands and wives together need some reconsideration. It is not always a sign that a husband is a wimp when a woman is at the wheel during city driving but rather an emotional accommodation to the woman’s lesser visual acuity and 3d processing.

Women see better and focus better on near field objects, men are better at processing at longer distances and have better 3d processing/ visual spatial abilities. Hence women think that another car is closer than it is. To the woman, like the sign in the passenger side mirror states...”objects are closer than what they may appear”, though in reality they aren’t!


376 posted on 01/14/2013 8:15:46 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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