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IDF says ‘shalom’ to the M-16
Times of Israel ^ | December 14, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 01/16/2013 6:32:52 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: Pharmboy

I’ve always wanted one of those,,, that one is nice...


21 posted on 01/16/2013 8:14:28 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Pharmboy

I’ve always wanted one of those,,, that one is nice...


22 posted on 01/16/2013 8:14:49 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Obadiah

Evidently the Tavor bull pup comes in short AND long barreled versions. (See the Indian Tavors above). In a bull pup design, the barrel goes nearly the full length of the shoulder stock anyway—so even the shortest ones have a 16” barrel.

Also the Israelis still use conventional Galli sniper-rifles for long range...


23 posted on 01/16/2013 9:09:45 AM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

Thanks, yeah, I see that.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 9:12:26 AM PST by Obadiah (Those who will not hear the messengers of peace, shall be made to hear the messengers of war.)
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To: Pharmboy

God Bless the nation of Israel!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 01/16/2013 1:26:06 PM PST by longhorn too
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To: Pharmboy

What’s the effective point target range on that thing? Can’t be more than a few hundred yeards. Not good for open fighting. Thankfully the AK is terrible as well in that arena.


26 posted on 01/17/2013 9:03:34 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Pharmboy

Also, in the story pic, the soldier is a lefty and the ejection port is on the left side. In the Indian soldier pic, the ejection port is on the right side. I would hope it would be an option, since a lefty shooter would not be able to use a bullpup rifle with the ejection port on the right side.


27 posted on 01/17/2013 9:14:42 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Obadiah
A short barreled bull pup? Why? They only thinking CQB and no open desert combat? This doesn’t make sense.

Three reasons.

1: most Israeli troops move in Nagmashot and Nakpadon Armored Personnel Carriers/Infantry Fighting Vehicles, rather than lesser vehicles more vulnerable to mines/IEDs and wire-guided antitank guided missiles. Room is tight inside the Centurion tank-based APCs, as it is in the back of an older M113/Zelda APC or a Merkava or helicopter.

2: Much of the IDF's serious and personal work is done up close and at night. The Tavor offers the opportunity for barrel change and interesting novelties on the muzzle end without excessively compromising performance. Electrooptical night sights are also a factor, adding weight that can be partially compensated for with a shorter and lighter barrel.

3: The M16 family weapons became common due to their being provided as US military FMAP equipment programs, their cost being about a third of a Israeli-built Galil or Glilon. There's not likely to be much more of that after the Israelis nuke Iran. And if they don't nuke Iran, it won't matter what kind of rifles the IDF has.

28 posted on 01/19/2013 1:10:20 PM PST by archy
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For what round is this chambered?

5,56mm NATO, the SS109 or U.S. M855 round. The Tavorim I've fired had a barrel with a military 1:7 twist. The Tavor has a interchangable barrel in which only one mounting lug has to be disengaged which is on the right side of the weapon behind the pistol grip, maybe not quite as fast as an Australian AusSteyer or Austrian AUG, but removable/replacable within a minute or two.

29 posted on 01/19/2013 1:14:03 PM PST by archy
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To: James C. Bennett
India manufactures (modified for Himalayan conditions) and uses the Tavor in places like Kashmir:

Also the Serbian Vojska Srbije , in particular their 72nd Reconnaissance-Commando Battalion , which is evaluating about everything available in the world and can have whatever they want. They're fond of the AUG/AusSteyers, too:

Some Tavors have recently turned up in Mexico as well.

30 posted on 01/19/2013 1:25:13 PM PST by archy
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Oddly enough, USA manufacture began short time ago. Price around $2K. Not sure what affect the CT situation will have however...

They turned up at the SHOT show in Las Vegas last week. *article here.*

31 posted on 01/19/2013 1:27:20 PM PST by archy
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