"In the Shadow of the Texas Siege:Uncertainty for Innocents"-- Waco was "for the chilrun.."

New York Times-- via wikipedia reference ^ | 3/8/1993 | Sam Howe Verhovek

[John S Mosby]

"...... Despite accusations by former cult members that Mr. Koresh sexually abused girls, there is considerable evidence that the children were, in at least some important respects, well cared for. None show any signs of physical abuse, and most seem consumed with a wish to see their parents.

Many of the children, from 5 months to 12 years old, emerged from the compound with small bags of favorite belongings or notes from their parents about their favorite foods, books and bedtime rituals, said Joyce Sparks, a caseworker for the state's Child Protective Services agency.

Reports from caseworkers who have seen them suggest that these children, who by all accounts are the most innocent victims in the case, are a strikingly interdependent group."

[John S Mosby]

The Waco siege began on February 28, 1993, and ended violently 50 days later on April 19. This article was a followup.

In hours following the deadly conflagration, Attorney General Janet Reno told reporters that "We had specific information that babies were being beaten." This was an incredible LIE of huge size. This from the abductor of Elian Gonzalez.

Link: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Report_to_the_Deputy_Attorney_General_on_the_Events_at_Waco,_Texas/Child_Abuse

Allegations of child abuse were never substantiated, but were the key justification offered by the FBI- both to Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno, for launching the tear gas and the assault. The fires, in a lengthy report, were shown to have been set by the Davidians(maybe/maybe not). 28 children were shot/burned to death as a result of this seige. Simply undercover good work, capturing Koresh could have avoided every bit of this. It was essential to show the State in control. Again, this is what dems believe. Don't forget that BATF was the initial contact/reason for the raid-- on the basis of possession/alteration of M-16s to full auto firing capability. This was ALL about guns.

Link: http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/hudnall/?frames=n;read=479

I am no fan of the Davidians but they and we have rights. This is who these socialist/marxist demos are-- they do not think our children are ours, but they are the State's, nor is our money ours--- and frankly, they don't think our country is ours. They think we are their subjects.

Today, obamaomau will surround himself with children, who supposedly wrote him letters (no parents, riiiight)-- to make the unconstitutional case against our rights as citizens to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. Tyrants always use the children in propaganda. He and they must be called out NOW, strongly as being cynical and on the graves of dead children, whom they could not have protected in the first place and whom they are placing in more risk now. Do this on many fronts: How many children will be aborted today? How many have been since Sandy Hook? Our prez voted for partial birth abortion as a birth control choice. But he cares "for the chilrun..? Yup.

Obamaomau is an abomination, a non-American foreigner creation, a Ceaucescu/Stalin- "comrade Staaaleeen" he loves us all. Our beloved Leader, the one, is protecting the children. Even as he destroys the family unit by his marxist, anti-family Statist, amoral actions. He is, quite simply not fit for office. We need to push the other branches of our brilliantly designed representative Republic, to Do Their Job. No longer play party to blatant anti-constitutional actions of a dictator. Deo Vindice.

[cripplecreek]

[freeandfreezing]

The Waco massacre was probably the second largest massacre of children in the USA in recent times. And it was caused by government action, whether or not they thought it was "justified."

The attack on the Move compound in Philadelphia also caused the death of many innocent children.

[hal ogen]

Didn’t the US Glov murder the Davidians (and their children) by burning the to death. Nice. What about their Constitutional rights? Was anyone held accountable for this murder of US citizens?

[hal ogen]

Didn’t the US Government murder the Davidians (and their children) by burning the to death. Nice. What about their Constitutional rights? Was anyone held accountable for this murder of US citizens?

[familyop]

False accusations are typical from sexually confused, hateful abominations, and corrupt leadership will elevate them.

[ZX12R]

Was anyone held accountable for this murder of US citizens?

Tim McVeigh tried to hold them accountable.

[SkyDancer]

But it’s okay if the government kills innocent men, women and children. It’s done for the safety of others. BTAF could have picked up the leader of that sect at any Walmart when he was buying ammunition. Then there was Ruby Ridge where the FBI sniper took out a woman and her baby and was exonerated since he was just doing his government job.

[Del Rapier]

I am not convinced,the government set out to murder these people but they certainly ended a lot of lives through besieging that compound.I am sure that incompetence played its part along with the callous behavior of those entrusted with this operation.

Otherwise,isolating yourself and your loved ones as tempting as it may be- just makes it easier for the Feds to take you out along with everyone you love.Whether they are trying to destroy or “save” you,the results are the same.

Actively working in a community,being a part of the background and picking up support on the streets against tyranny.....is a much more viable strategy.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “I am not convinced,the government set out to murder these people...” <<

Bill Klinton?

Janet Reno?

Wesley Clark?

Get your head out of that tunnel before a load of brown stuff hits you.

Remember who held the barrel of a full auto rifle to Elian Gonzales head?

No, they meant on harm...

[editor-surveyor]

Women and children were burned to death in the chapel basement, deliberately.

Clark’s people called it (the basement) a “bunker.”

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The fires, in a lengthy report, were shown to have been set by the Davidians” <<

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What a load of BULLSHIT!

The video footage clearly showed flame throwers under the gun barrels of Wesley Clark’s tanks.

The front door of the building clearly showed that all of the bullets went in, not out.

Waco was a deliberate massacre.

[sport]

Mark

[John S Mosby]

True, they went out of their way to obscure the military equipment, and also the use of flashbangs and tear gas that was flammable. There were (again suspect but they were done) investigations that showed accelerant was used from the inside. Also important to note that the FBI director was Sessions (so this leadership advocated the escalation). The point of this posting is that this was all justified "for the children" whom they killed 28. And today's tyranny infringement is again posed with children. Disgusting. My argument is that simple, good undercover work could have gotten Koresh ( this would have prevented this poorly run and escalated intentional massacre with military assistance). Everything about this massacre was simply, on the face of it-- wrong, and an example of when govt. becomes tyranny. Like Ruby Ridge, exonerating a FBI sniper for killing an unarmed mother and her baby-- as "commanded" under orders. Truly shocking.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ investigations that showed accelerant was used from the inside.” <<

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The power had been cut off to the church complex, and they were using hurricane and coleman lanterns for lighting. When the tanks caved the walls in, the lanterns became molotov coctails. The roof eaves were already on fire from the flame throwers on the tanks.