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There was plenty of discussion in TOS that the supply situation of the Federation had been solved. Poverty was a thing of the past. And you can see it any time they’re dealing with civilians, what do most of them do? Nothing really, handful of freeboot traders. It’s even in the plots, any time there’s a shortage of anything they have to point out how this thing is one of those odd things that replicators can’t handle.

Who said anything about drooling. Part of the whole back story of the Federation is that having eliminated poverty people are freed to explore self expression. That “eliminated poverty” phrase appears a lot. How does one eliminate poverty, well replicators are a good start. Of course there is some borderline drooling with some of civilians they encounter, like the space hippies, Mudd.

Notice how studiously they had to be to make sure we can’t replicate dilithium. The only time there’s ever scarcity it’s because that item is one of the “special” items. Meanwhile we know replicators can provide all the basics of life, all food, clothing, and basic household goods (most of which you don’t actually need anymore because you have a replicator).

The physics of transporting is actually pretty well understood. The energy requirements are literally astronomical (as in our sun could provide enough energy to transport 2 people, tops, ever), it’s a total magic box.

You dislike JJ-Trek because you’re another stuck on whiny Trek fan that’s made that he managed to make the most critically acclaimed AND most profitable Trek movie ever. It’s no more shallow than TOS. Actually probably less, somehow I doubt JJ-Trek is ever going to venture to “I am Kirok”.


81 posted on 01/24/2013 7:29:13 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: discostu
There was plenty of discussion in TOS that the supply situation of the Federation had been solved. Poverty was a thing of the past. And you can see it any time they’re dealing with civilians, what do most of them do? Nothing really, handful of freeboot traders. It’s even in the plots, any time there’s a shortage of anything they have to point out how this thing is one of those odd things that replicators can’t handle.

As a matter of fact, we're well on the way to solving poverty. China was a dirt-poor cesspool 60 years ago, for example. I don't think you will find replicators in China.

Much human poverty has nothing to do with a lack of resources, but with human corruption and manipulation.

Go back and review the original series. You will discover civilians with productive lives. How peculiar that someone on a conservative website should denigrate 'traders', i.e., entrepreneurs.

Who said anything about drooling. Part of the whole back story of the Federation is that having eliminated poverty people are freed to explore self expression. That “eliminated poverty” phrase appears a lot. How does one eliminate poverty, well replicators are a good start. Of course there is some borderline drooling with some of civilians they encounter, like the space hippies, Mudd.

Real hippies sat around, did drugs, abstained from soap and water and stank. Mudd was no hippie.

Notice how studiously they had to be to make sure we can’t replicate dilithium. The only time there’s ever scarcity it’s because that item is one of the “special” items. Meanwhile we know replicators can provide all the basics of life, all food, clothing, and basic household goods (most of which you don’t actually need anymore because you have a replicator).

I recall nothing in the OS implying everyone had a replication device.

The physics of transporting is actually pretty well understood. The energy requirements are literally astronomical (as in our sun could provide enough energy to transport 2 people, tops, ever), it’s a total magic box.

Societies that learn to use the energies of stars might not find it such a magic box. It's a mistake to think that tomorrow is going to look like an extension of today. In 1900, one of the great problems of cities was disposing of horse manure. Nobody could imagine how horse manure would be dealt with in 1950.

You dislike JJ-Trek because you’re another stuck on whiny Trek fan that’s made that he managed to make the most critically acclaimed AND most profitable Trek movie ever. It’s no more shallow than TOS. Actually probably less, somehow I doubt JJ-Trek is ever going to venture to “I am Kirok”.

"Critically acclaimed"? There have always been critics ready to acclaim all manner of refuse. Just because a critic likes something doesn't mean it is any good. Professional critics typically adore movies with left-wing themes that blatantly lie about the past, which does not elevate these works above the level of propaganda.

When did profitability indicate quality? People frequently stampede after the over-hyped. There are a lot of formerly best-selling novels that nobody reads anymore. They once enjoyed fashion and made money, but they are forgotten.
84 posted on 01/24/2013 8:55:15 AM PST by Nepeta
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