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Bang For Your Buck: A Guide To Affordable & Reliable Firearms For Preppers
Survival Blog ^ | 1-24-13 | IK

Posted on 01/25/2013 6:39:08 PM PST by dynachrome

Rifles Your needs: Hunting, varmint control, “just in case”

Why: While some people may use or need a rifle for home defense, all the rifle owners I know use their rifles for either target shooting or hunting and varmint control. They use a different kind of gun for personal or home defense. However, for the sake of argument let’s say that the proverbial excrement has hit the rotating airfoil and that you, despite the fact that you get your meat from the grocery store and don’t run into coyotes at the bus stop, could be called upon to defend all that is categorically good from all that is categorically bad. In light of this potential situation, you should gravely proclaim to whoever is in charge of your bank account that it is morally incumbent upon you to own a rifle . . . just in case.

While semi-automatics are incredibly popular and effective, a good bolt-action rifle is the most rugged, durable, economical, and time-tested rifle platform available. Remember: this article is for the average person who does not need something like a battle rifle. That being said, my recommendation for a cheap, reliable bolt-action rifle is, in fact, a battle rifle. Oops.

Recommended: Mosin-Nagant 1891/30. Cost: $100

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$100 is a little low for the Mosin these days, but still under $150 for a solid shooter. A good list, still pricy if you bought 'em all.
1 posted on 01/25/2013 6:39:23 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: Kartographer

Covered before, but may be of interest to your list.


2 posted on 01/25/2013 6:42:29 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome
I could sell my old Ivers-Johnson 9 shot .22 revolver with the loose barrel for $100US today.

Stuff has gotten stupid out there on prices.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/25/2013 6:42:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I saw a Russkie 1950 SKS on consignment for at a local gun shop for $999. If it sells I may have to put mine up, but I like it too much!


4 posted on 01/25/2013 6:46:00 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

AR’s, Glocks, etc are fine weapons and I own them, but I’ve also considered a 357 levergun and corresponding revolver for SHTF duty.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 6:47:59 PM PST by umgud
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To: JRandomFreeper
Good evening my FRiend.

Stuff has gotten stupid out there on prices.

Between no ammo on Walmart's shelves, to $2,200 for an AR platform, gold ain't got nothing on these.

5.56mm

6 posted on 01/25/2013 6:48:56 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: umgud

I lean toward having a carbine in a pistol caliber and the matching caliber pistol. No fumbling around for ammo. On the other hand, I have about 7 different calibers running around the mansion.


7 posted on 01/25/2013 6:51:50 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome
Whoof! I bought mine for $89US. Russian. Machined reciever, not stamped. They still had wax paper and cosmoline (or whatever the soviet equivalent is) on them.

That kind of return on the dollar would tempt me. But I think I'll keep mine. They are good for feral hogs after I modifed the back sight to a peep sight instead of the notch sight.

/johnny

8 posted on 01/25/2013 6:53:34 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dynachrome

bfl


9 posted on 01/25/2013 6:53:48 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The guys behind the counter said it wouldn’t sell at that price, but who knows, now a days.


10 posted on 01/25/2013 6:57:43 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

Like I didn’t have enough toys I bought an Enfield #4 mk1 last weekend at a gunshow , having a hard time finding 303 ammo for it , only 80 rounds out of three shops I’ve been to and 40 of these I bought at the show.


11 posted on 01/25/2013 6:59:12 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: dynachrome

Today’s price for a Ruger 22LR is $260-290. I have priced them from every gun company on the internet I could find, for the past several months.


12 posted on 01/25/2013 7:02:06 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: M Kehoe
Evening. Good to see you.

Stories like this make me glad that I bought a bunch of stuff back when I had folding cash to blow.

/johnny

13 posted on 01/25/2013 7:03:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: umgud

Pistol-caliber lever-guns are quite useful. Usually hold more than 10 rounds and, with practice, are quite fast.
Miroku/Winchester model 92 or Marlin “cowboy” can be had in common pistol calibers. May or may not adapt to .38/357 length differences, though.

Mine are .45LC to match my Ruger Vaquero revolvers.


14 posted on 01/25/2013 7:06:38 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; dynachrome

I like my AK (Romanian WASR-10) that I got recently for $450, and have been fitting it out. I would gobble up an SKS in a minute if I find one at any kind of a reasonable price...I like the idea of being able to shoot w/o having to have mags handy.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 7:09:30 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: dynachrome
I should have added one can't find a Ruger 22LR for sale, neither is there hollow point ammo for sale in any caliber.

Also, high count magazines can't be found. I got a 25 magazine for a Ruger 22LR before they were gone, and I'm thinking of putting it on the wall as an antique even though I just bought it about two months ago.

16 posted on 01/25/2013 7:09:30 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
Marcella,, have you checked the pawn shops ,I bought one couple weeks ago after talking to you , the craving just came too much for me , the wife claimed it before I even got a chance to shoot it.

The price tax and all was $244 and they had 4 30-round mags.,,, just couldn't help myself had to have it all.

17 posted on 01/25/2013 7:15:35 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Marcella

“...high count magazines can’t be found.”

You just have to keep looking. I got a package yesterday that had 5-30rd 7.62x39 in for my WASR-10. Needless to say, the price on mags has gone up 3 or 4 times in the past 2 months.

I laid in several BX-25’s for my 10/22 a year ago. Sweet mags.


18 posted on 01/25/2013 7:15:53 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Oh yeah... but your thumb would hate you in a NY minute.

I love the SKS for feral pigs. One shot every few hours, careful reloading. Push down a stripper clip? I've never done it without shedding a little bit of blood and bark off the knuckle.

/johnny

19 posted on 01/25/2013 7:19:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I watched Piers Morgan last night since he had Newt Gingrich on. Morgan tells about the killing in New Mexico of a mom and two or three kids by the 15 yr. old son, using a 22 long rifle, who then waited for his dad to get home and killed him with an AR 15. Morgan skipped over the 22 and zeroed in on the dad getting shot with the AR 15. He never mentioned the 22 but once and he flubbed saying 22 so it wasn't evident he said 22, just that AR15.

Every gun out there will kill as that is why they were made.

20 posted on 01/25/2013 7:19:56 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: piroque

“have you checked the pawn shops... The price tax and all was $244 and they had 4 30-round mags”

I don’t do pawn shops as I’m not qualified to know if the gun is okay or not. I did find a Ruger 22LR by going to every gun shop on internet every day and suddenly finding one that popped up at Kentucky Gun Co. and I bought it. I’ve mentioned that rifle already - it’s PINK and was $260.

I have that one 25 magazine for it that I got a few months ago. If you have 4-30 round magazines you can sell those for a lot of money. I saw on one individual sell site a 25 magazine for the Ruger was $100.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 7:28:52 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
Also, high count magazines can't be found. I got a 25 magazine for a Ruger 22LR before they were gone,

I paid too much for several of those, brand new, at a garage sale after the last ban, and now they are threatened again.

22 posted on 01/25/2013 7:28:55 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
“You just have to keep looking.”

I have been the expert “looker” for a month until I found that one Ruger 22LR and got it.

The 25 magazine I have for it is after market - the Hot Lips one. I still want the Ruger company made one. The Hot Lips was not expensive but that was before there weren't any, now they are expensive. The actual Ruger one would probably be $40-50 now. It is crazy.

I found some Remington hollow points for it that would be shipped in one or two weeks, so bought those. Maybe they will be here next week. That was from Cabela and now those aren't available anymore.

As soon as something comes in, it's gone. I was at a shooting range near my house several days ago, a big gun shop, and only 10 cartridge mags and no hollow points for anything and no rifles to sell. They still had handguns.

23 posted on 01/25/2013 7:39:51 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: dynachrome

24 posted on 01/25/2013 7:45:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I love those C&R guns. Before people went crazy picked up 3 Mosins for less tha. $300 total. A few years back Ishapore Enfields in 7.62 NATO were going for $120.

CZ82s were $200 a copy, and they were damn nice copies. LOL. Glad I filled my safe early. LOL.


25 posted on 01/25/2013 7:47:34 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Marcella

My problem is I don’t sell many of my toys ;-)


26 posted on 01/25/2013 7:49:21 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Marcella

Just bought a 10/22 takedown..a little bit ashamed at what we paid. It took a two state search, found it for list +taxes.


27 posted on 01/25/2013 8:01:11 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: JRandomFreeper; Marcella

“Stuff has gotten stupid out there on prices.”
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“”..neither is there hollow point ammo for sale in any caliber.”

Two Remington 550 round ‘Value Pack’ boxes of .22 HP just sold on gunbroker for $150.00! Check it out...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327287007


28 posted on 01/25/2013 8:01:24 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: JRandomFreeper
“Oh yeah... but your thumb would hate you in a NY minute.”

I think you are talking about loading a magazine. I have to buy a magazine loader for the 22 so I don't rip my thumb. My hands are also not strong, so I have to get a loader. I had forgotten about that, but must do it. I have read about them, know how they work and had settled on one and think I saved that page in favorites. I'll do that tomorrow. Hopefully, those aren't sold out. I've got all the gun company pages in favorites. I always check CheaperThanDirt first, since it is the closest to me. If I lived where you do, I'd probably camp at their store. I've been there once.

29 posted on 01/25/2013 8:01:28 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That’s why I love stripper clips. 10 rounds per clip, which work perfect for an SKS with an original 10 round fixed magazine.


30 posted on 01/25/2013 8:02:33 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: Dead Dog
“Just bought a 10/22 takedown..a little bit ashamed at what we paid. It took a two state search, found it for list +taxes.”

I know about what you paid due to my every day searching for several weeks. The only good thing about buying my PINK Ruger 22LR, was that it was from Kentucky, and it was free shipping with NO TAX.

You are lucky to have found the takedown because I didn't see any of those in stock anywhere.

31 posted on 01/25/2013 8:10:02 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: piroque

” 303 ammo for it “

Not cheap, but it sez they have 29 boxes avaialble.

http://www.jgsales.com/303-british-win-ammo-super-x,-2460fps-180gr.-power-point,-20rd-box-p-50660.html


32 posted on 01/25/2013 8:10:54 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome

The Mosin sounds good in theory, but there are issues to consider. I gunsmith for a living and can tell you that commonly replaced parts on the Mosin are in fairly short supply when compared to a lot of bolt rifles. Another issue is that there is not a lot of brass cased ammo out there. You will be hard pressed to find cases to reload in a SHTF scenario.


33 posted on 01/25/2013 8:12:34 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: piroque

or a larger quanity, 23 500 round cases avaialble:

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/303-british


34 posted on 01/25/2013 8:12:43 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Marcella
No, Marco... the SKS uses a stripper clip into a fixed magazine attached to the firearm.

It's not like loading an external magazine which is later inserted into the firearm.

I manage to knock a little bit of bark off my thumb every time I use a stripper clip with an SKS, so generally, I shoot one round, reload one round with that rifle for my main use for it (ferals).

Of course, if stuff hits the fan, the blood just lubes the action, and I'll take notes on the whining after the action is over.

/johnny

35 posted on 01/25/2013 8:12:57 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Rio

Rossi .357 magnum lever gun shoots both .357 mag and .38 special.

Paired with a .357 revolver you have a nice combo.

Or H&K USC + a 1911 style pistol if you have the money.

Or an UZI & a Sig 226

Or .44 mag Henry lever gun & 44 mag revolver if you can afford the ammo.

The options are endless!


36 posted on 01/25/2013 8:16:36 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Work perfectly for you perhaps, but I'm less than thrilled with facing reloading an SKS with a stripper clip.

Perhaps I need to learn some technique that I haven't mastered.

/johnny

37 posted on 01/25/2013 8:16:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: piroque

http://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=RM&prodID=RM22878&prodTitle=Remington%20303%20British%20Unprimed%20Brass%2050/bag

In stock new 303 brass.

Warning. Company has had a 20 minute phone que since some time in November. Has not let up.

On line orders have no delay, but shipping time is 10-14 days the last time I talked to them. Simply that overcome with order volume.

If you do not reload, find a local friend to help you do it.

I have never seen brass so hard to find.


38 posted on 01/25/2013 8:16:50 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: piroque

or a larger quanity, 23 500 round cases avaialble:

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/303-british


39 posted on 01/25/2013 8:17:16 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: piroque
“My problem is I don’t sell many of my toys ;-)”

That's like my jewelry. When I married those many years ago, I had one ring and it was from Mexico. My husband said we had to do better than that, and I did for many years. Gold and precious stones. Every piece has a history and I would never sell any of it and would kill any sucker who got close to it. You have your toys and I have my toys.

40 posted on 01/25/2013 8:18:08 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: dynachrome

Little bit more than i need ,,,thanks for the tips .


41 posted on 01/25/2013 8:22:01 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: JRandomFreeper
Here's about the easiest way.
42 posted on 01/25/2013 8:22:34 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“the SKS uses a stripper clip into a fixed magazine attached to the firearm.”

I still know what you mean. I saw a gun guy on Utube who loaded cartridges from a stripper clip into the fixed magazine. He did that on several different rifles.


43 posted on 01/25/2013 8:22:59 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: dynachrome
I lean toward having a carbine in a pistol caliber and the matching caliber pistol.

If price is no object, I would recommend a Kriss. Otherwise, a Hi-Point carbine.

44 posted on 01/25/2013 8:25:31 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: piroque

My friend bought an FNAR rifle two years ago new for $1550 and just sold it this week for $3,000 after putting about 200 rounds through it.


45 posted on 01/25/2013 8:26:56 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
That's a Chinese SKS and a 30 round mag.

I recognize the two thumb technique, though, from the russian SKS and the 10 round magazine.

Easier to treat it like a bolt action that opens the bolt for you after every shot. Hunting feral pigs, anyway.

/johnny

46 posted on 01/25/2013 8:32:12 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: piroque
What I ordered from Cabela’s was 150 Remington Hollow Points for the 22 lr. which I think should be here next week.

I have a Remington rifle and a Remington shotgun and they are too heavy for me but I did buy proper zombie killing ammo for them before this rush for ammo happened. If the SHTF, I expect my son would be here and he can handle those weapons.

47 posted on 01/25/2013 8:34:35 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: ExpatGator

“find cases to reload”

True. Up until recently surplus was cheap and easy to find. I bought a few crates, so I am good supply wise. trouble is, most ranges won’t let you shoot steel core ammo anymore.


48 posted on 01/25/2013 8:35:17 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Texas Fossil
i do the reloading thing ,,, managed to come across a bag of 50 Remington brass and a box of sierra pro hunter 150 gr. .311 bullets

A lot of the bullets that I use in reloading are getting in short supply. Just trying to supplement the numbers in the inventory, made most of the basic buys years ago.

49 posted on 01/25/2013 8:36:02 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Marcella; All
I've got a 3 mag clamp on this one, the Ruger mags are nearly 100% reliable.

This is one of the early 10-22s, the original wood stock got so banged up riding around in a fiberglass canoe that it wasn't worth refinishing.

No telling how many rounds this one has burned, they just keep on shooting.

Photobucket

50 posted on 01/25/2013 8:37:12 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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