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VANITY: Anyone watching "The Americans" on Fx network?
Fx network ^ | 2-14-2013 | Vanity

Posted on 02/14/2013 7:22:23 AM PST by OKSooner

Has anyone been watching this show? Last nite at 10:00 EST would have been the third installment.

I'm curious what others around here think of it but I'd rather not come out and say what I'm thinking just yet.

(Hint: Posted in chit/chat maybe for a reason.)


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1 posted on 02/14/2013 7:22:36 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

I find it fascinating.


2 posted on 02/14/2013 7:25:04 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: OKSooner

I like it. It’s a little cheesy at times, but they do a good job replicating the early 80’s.


3 posted on 02/14/2013 7:26:14 AM PST by pghoilman (Earth First. We'll drill the rest of the galaxy later.)
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To: OKSooner; GOPsterinMA; GSP.FAN; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; NFHale

I feel old, I cannot believe Keri Russell is pushing 40.


4 posted on 02/14/2013 7:26:24 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: OKSooner

I’ve been watching it. The only drama I watch on TV. I limit my TV time and I enjoy this one.


5 posted on 02/14/2013 7:32:46 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Perdogg

You don’t know what old is. Geraldine Chaplin (68) in the movie The Impossible.


6 posted on 02/14/2013 7:33:35 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: OKSooner

Its an interesting show but I haven’t really decided whether I like it or not.


7 posted on 02/14/2013 7:33:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: OKSooner

I am enjoying it. I’m guessing that a possible criticism might be in their showing Russian spies in too favorable a light. Short of turning them into cardboard cutouts of villains, I think the portrayal is necessary when you’re doing a show that centers around the spies.

A comedian (probably Seinfeld) did a bit about watching the Nature Channel and getting caught up in the point of view of whichever animal the show was about on a particular day.
When the show was about gazelles, he was rooting strongly for them to get away from the lions. Next episode is about lions, and he’s screaming—”C’mon—get that gazelle! Your babies are hungry!”

Keri Russell is still adorable, several decades after “Felicity.” And Matthew Rhys, who played a homosexual in the soap-opera-esque “Brothers and Sisters” is a revelation as a martial-arts-trained, tough-as-nails spy.
I think the show is one of the best new ones of the season.


8 posted on 02/14/2013 7:37:11 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: TADSLOS

I also find it fascinating, primarily because the left and Hollywood are now so open about the reality of Soviet spies on US territory. No longer are they countering with “...have you no shame...” anti-McCarthy rhetoric.

SO it is fact, acknowledged on all sides now. There were and may still be, Soviet, and other foreign spies on US territory conspiring against our interests. But the FBI, who is fighting for our system, our culture, and our liberties, is portrayed in the series as the antagonist against the Soviets, who are the good guys?

I sometimes think we as a culture have a death wish, a cultural subliminal suicide desire. If only we were to take the “spies” seriously because they really do wish our demise and end of our system of laws, rights and greatness.

The possibility we have one in the White House just may seal the deal.


9 posted on 02/14/2013 7:37:47 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: OKSooner

I saw the first episode, have the next two on DVR, but haven’t watched them yet.

First episode was interesting. I want to see how the plot develops.

It is interesting that Russkies have again become the more prevalent ‘bad guys’ on television.

==

I watched the 1st episode of Monday Morning (TNT). It was okay. I watched part of the 2nd episode and turned it off before the first set of commercials. It just wasn’t interesting.


10 posted on 02/14/2013 7:42:07 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

“I’m guessing that a possible criticism might be in their showing Russian spies in too favorable a light.”

I was thinking the same, however it occured to me that even tho they are enjoying their life in America, they also have a blind devotion to “the mother country.” It reminds me of Obama drones and I can see how they don’t equate their joy to being the result of capitalism and liberty.

Then we also get to see the struggle of the husband in trying to reconcile that disconnect, but the wife pulling him back to drone status.


11 posted on 02/14/2013 7:45:26 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: OKSooner

We enjoy it. Why won’t you say anything about it?


12 posted on 02/14/2013 7:48:51 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: OKSooner
Only watched the pilot. I was torn between rooting for them and hoping they'll get caught.

13 posted on 02/14/2013 7:50:00 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: OKSooner

Nope, Moonshiners was on last night.

Followed by re-runs of Duck Dynasty on A&E.

Now thats good TV, Jack!


14 posted on 02/14/2013 7:51:42 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: CSM

The Soviets won.


15 posted on 02/14/2013 7:53:50 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
I am enjoying it. I’m guessing that a possible criticism might be in their showing Russian spies in too favorable a light.

Yes, that criticism is certainly "possible." As in having the "low information voter" bunch taking the POV of America's enemies and rooting for them to win against loyal Americans, while mentally turning our own counter-espionage people into "enemies." I watched the first episode and was revolted by the total subversiveness of the concept.

16 posted on 02/14/2013 7:55:04 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: OKSooner

I watched the pilot and have the other episodes on my DVR, but haven’t watched them.

Really annoyed by two things:

1) No FBI agent would volunteer that he worked in “counterintelligence” to his new neighbors.

2) DC doesn’t have a “port.” There’s one dock in Alexandria where a ship brings paper for the Washington Post very sporadically, but it certainly doesn’t go overseas.


17 posted on 02/14/2013 7:55:39 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: OKSooner

A soap opera with better lighting.


18 posted on 02/14/2013 7:56:10 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: OKSooner
Thanks for the reminder, been getting home too late thanks to scouting and athletics.

I need something to entertain me until Season 6 of Sons of Anarchy.

19 posted on 02/14/2013 7:56:18 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: OKSooner

I’ve been watching it; so far so good. Doesn’t seem to put the Soviets in too good a light.


20 posted on 02/14/2013 7:58:46 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Bernard Marx

You must have a very weak stomach if you found it revolting.


21 posted on 02/14/2013 7:59:39 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: OKSooner
Liked the first two, have seen the recorded one yet. Interesting idea but not sure how far they can can without showing the FBI or CIA to be bumbling clowns.
22 posted on 02/14/2013 8:00:01 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Wildbill22
I enjoy the technical aspects portrayed in the show and the historical perspective of the Reagan era. I suppose I'm attracted to it because these are the times I lived in my ascendant 20's. Reagan was, and still is my happy warrior knight. So far, the script depicts the Soviet communist espionage apparatus as manipulative, cruel and downright evil set against the background of operating (mostly) in middle income America. Last night's episode really brought that to light.

I don't agree that the FBI are portrayed as antagonists on this show. Of course, they add tension against the main characters, but so far the show writers are depicting them as patriots doing their best to keep the Soviets at bay. We'll see if that theme continues in future episodes, or if the show descends into a psycho babble fest about the good communist fight gone astray by the Reagan doctrine.

So far, I enjoy watching it.

23 posted on 02/14/2013 8:05:42 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: OKSooner

I guess it depends somewhat on the prism through which you view it but I’ve been enjoying it. Firstly I like the recreation of the 80s, I think they’ve done a good job. I also like that every time I think they’ve shown the good guys as looking like they’ve gone overboard, gotten paranoid, etc. the commies do something to prove them right.


24 posted on 02/14/2013 8:24:42 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: Strategerist
Good observations..but I suspect it has more to do with dramatic license..

The show's quite good..I especially enjoy hearing the Soviets spout all the criticisms of Reagan (i.e. "he's a lunatic")that the MSM and the American left have been using for years..

The twist seems to be that it's the female who is the more ideologically committed/fanatical..the husband seems to have been somewhat "sensitized/softened" by the time they've already spent in the USA.

25 posted on 02/14/2013 8:26:33 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: OKSooner

I like it, although it has been TV-dramatized in much the same manner as NCIS. The reality of Soviet spies would probably be too boring for TV. BTW, I noticed that in the third episode, there was no sex and no warning about sexual situations. I wonder if someone made them quit. It was a bit steamy before last night.


26 posted on 02/14/2013 8:29:24 AM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: OKSooner
Kind of interesting. In fact I have a nostalgia for the Cold War, at least we knew who we were then, our side, their side or neutral as the case may be. Back then, Bronco Bama would have never been elected, most likely would have failed to even get through the primaries. Still, as someone who became 13 in 1979 and spent the 1980's as a teen and young adult, they did a good job of capturing the era of the time. A few minor nitpicks, maybe it is my Asperger's kicking in, but I did see a Volvo that would not have been on the U.S. market until 1984 (this is 1981) and the same thing with a Toyota minivan.

I keep hoping Matthew Rys has a "come to Jesus moment" and defects. I did see yesteday's episode though with Robert's (the KGB agent who was killed) where they promised his wife a "good life" in Cuba (I'd rather take the "zonk" from "Let's Make a Deal") but instead, take her baby to the USSR and killed her off in an overdose. Same with the maid and her son over the clock. I understand that maybe in the spy world, you gotta do some bad things but still, these people in the KGB here are really a bunch of scumbums.
27 posted on 02/14/2013 8:34:50 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Wildbill22

In the show the good guys are the “family”. It works kind of like the Godfather series, we root for that family against both other mobsters and cops because our introduction to them was controlled to make us like them. We learn early on in The Americans that their Soviet leaders are cutthroat and brutal and don’t have the “family’s” best interest in mind, and of course the FBI wants to capture them, but they’re nice people even if they do bad things so we root for them. It’s a hard balance to setup, but once the story teller succeeds it gives them a lot of dramatic potential, because basically everyone around our good guys is a potential threat and thus a bad guy.


28 posted on 02/14/2013 8:35:23 AM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Nowhere Man

One more thing, seeing “John Boy” (Rcihard Thomas) as a CIA/FBI agent is a real hoot.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 8:38:22 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: ken5050
I like it. Sure, it is a little soapy, but isn't Sons of Anarchy a little too soapy a portrayal of outlaw bikers? Anyways, I am really enjoying Matthew Rhys' performance of the deeply conflicted Phillip Jennings the most of all. His acting job in this role is the main reason to watch the show. Since I like it, the show will probably be canceled.
30 posted on 02/14/2013 8:45:11 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: ken5050
I like it. Sure, it is a little soapy, but isn't Sons of Anarchy a little too soapy a portrayal of outlaw bikers? Anyways, I am really enjoying Matthew Rhys' performance of the deeply conflicted Phillip Jennings the most of all. His acting job in this role is the main reason to watch the show. Since I like it, the show will probably be canceled.
31 posted on 02/14/2013 8:45:16 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: Perdogg; OKSooner; GOPsterinMA; GSP.FAN; fieldmarshaldj; Impy

RE Watching “The Americans”:
No, I can’t say that I do. The only thing I’m keeping up with on TV is “The Walking Dead”...basically, it should be subtitled “What NOT To Do In An Apocalyptic Situation”. It provides a good laugh due to the dumbass things the writers put in there for the characters...

Watched “Breaking Bad” for a while, but I lost interest.

RE Keri Russell: I’m not familiar with her at all.


32 posted on 02/14/2013 8:57:47 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: OKSooner
I'd like to see it updated with Moslem characters subverting the USA, installing gun caches in mosques nationwide and running the white-slave trade.

Because thats what is going on.

33 posted on 02/14/2013 8:59:10 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: stuartcr
You must have a very weak stomach if you found it revolting.

I'd say the same about your brain.

34 posted on 02/14/2013 9:11:22 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

???


35 posted on 02/14/2013 9:16:31 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: discostu

They certainly pulled it off in “The Shield.” Vic Mackey was a terrible, terrible person, but you couldn’t help but root for him.


36 posted on 02/14/2013 9:24:57 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: OKSooner
I am watching the show, and, with qualifications, I like it. Given the constraints of commercial TV, the show does a fairly good job of depicting the era and the lives and work of Soviet illegals, meaning spies who operate without benefit of official diplomatic cover and protection.

The use of sex by Soviet spies to recruit intelligence sources is accurate, even by a husband and wife team. So also is the brutality and ruthlessness of spying accurate, with blackmail and threats and force used to recruit and control people. Even the approved, routine sexual abuse of Soviet female spies in training is accurate.

The contradictions between being Soviet spies and also loving American parents in suburbia is also true as a major source of tension. In one nearly forgotten case, which was broadly depicted in the movie Little Nikita (1988), a team of illegal Soviet husband and wife spies was detected when their bright and patriotic American born son applied for admission to West Point.

Eventually, in the actual spy case, the two illegals were persuaded to defect to the US, with their son getting a fully merited admission to West Point no less as part of their deal. If The Americans lasts long enough, it may head in that direction. Notably, as in the real case, in The Americans, the wife is the most loyal to the Soviet Union.

As for the broad political implications, The Americans is creditable to our side of the political equation because it takes Soviet spying against the US for what it was: a major threat to our national security, pressed with an amorality and ruthlessness that were integral to the Soviet system.

37 posted on 02/14/2013 9:26:52 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: OKSooner

From commercials, the production value looks high. But aren’t the bad guys the good guys? It seems the central protagonists are commie spies.

So, no thanks. It looks like a vehicle to be able to spew subtle commie propaganda and soften us up to like and identify with commies.

This is the exact plan with Glee and fags. Make a show about a bunch of wholesome talented homosexuals so we “like” and “identify with” them.

It is all part of our reprogramming to meld our minds into what the socialists want us to believe. Of course, the biggest impact will be on the kids and teens that pick up the nuances. “Oh commies aren’t bad, they are people just like us. We shouldn’t hate them, mommy”.

So no I won’t watch this show. It sounds like a vehicle to get people to subconsiously accept socialism.

I was raised on Roy Rodgers and other stalwart TV role models. Think back to when those shows were new. Now imagine in that time, Hollywood puts out a show all about cattle rustlers or robber barons. The show would have flopped then because there is NO WAY any US audience would have accepted it or identified with the evil protagonists.

We have fallen so far as a nation and become so morally relativistic, that as a society we now accept these shows like Amerikans about the lives of commie spies, or Breaking Bad and Weeds, about drug dealers.

Until the 1970s, such shows would be impossible in America because the people would have demanded protagonists be moral and good and evil characters always die or end up in jail.

Not anymore. We lost the population in the grade school brainwashing post 60s.

Nope, I won’t watch a show where the “good guys” are commie spies and the show will be chock full of subtle propaganda espousing the upside of communism.

Looks like a well done show the way GLEE is a very well done show.

How about a well done show about a boy scout troop leader trying to keep his scouts morally sound in today’s depraved cultural climate? I’m waiting for Hollywood to put out that show.

Thanks but no thanks. Thank goodness for Netflix. I just finished watching every episode of Frasier. Now I’m watching reruns of Dallas, Moonlighting, and Hill Street Blues.


38 posted on 02/14/2013 9:56:29 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“I just finished watching every episode of Frasier.”

I had to contradict, if I may. I know Glee is just a bunch of faggots singing, and we all know that. But Niles in real life, is a fudgepacker. Sure, Kelsey Grammer is one of us but the fact that Niles is a real-life homo, well...


39 posted on 02/14/2013 10:16:35 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I miss Jack Bauer and CTU fighting the Muzzies on 24.

Hard to believe it’s been 3 years since the show ended.


40 posted on 02/14/2013 10:19:46 AM PST by Dave346
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To: Rockingham

Agreed. Good analysis. I’ll keep watching it for a few weeks to see where it goes.


41 posted on 02/14/2013 10:32:02 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Strategerist
"Really annoyed by two things:"

The one that got me in the first episode was when he went back and beat the crap out of that guy for leering at his 13 year old. Now what soviet spy would risk getting stabbed/killed or severely beaten in a fight with some brute who leared at his kid? A Dad yes, but a trained Soviet spy? No way...
42 posted on 02/14/2013 10:39:32 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Dave346

We just finished watching the complete series of “24” on Netflix. Have to say I liked the earlier seasons better. This last one was too disjointed and a lot of loose ends.


43 posted on 02/14/2013 11:08:16 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: OKSooner
The only good commie is a dead commie....

Whoops, i slipped back into 40's and 50's mode...

Seems as though it's pure revisionism in assigning some small semblance of decent civilization to these commie scum.

Reminds me of the way the movies of the 50's and 60's reinvented the American Indians of the 1700's & 1800's.

44 posted on 02/14/2013 11:18:10 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I anticipate that, if the show has a good run, at some point Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings will, even must decide to switch sides and become double agents for the FBI. This will add new sources of tension and complexity.

This seems prefigured in that the show's creator -- a retired CIA officer turned scriptwriter -- had the KGB section in the Soviet embassy (the official rezidentura) contact the Jennings, even though Soviet tradecraft was to run their officers posted abroad as illegals with separate personnel, lines of communication, and a strict avoidance of the embassy.

Now, the FBI is on the Jennings' trail through a forced recruitment of a Soviet embassy clerk -- performed no less by the Jennings' new neighbor -- who, by pure coincidence, is a talented, energetic, and vigilant FBI agent newly assigned to counter-intelligence and relocated to Washington.

I am pleased though to see that the separate KGB hierarchy for illegals is nevertheless indicated and that it is now personified by the superb Marge Martindale. She had a memorable role recently on Justified as Kentucky coal country crime boss Mags Bennett.

The ruthlessness of the Soviets was demonstrated again in the last episode. Martindale spun a fairy tale to Robert's Puerto Rican widow of a relocation to sunny and congenial Cuba -- but the hapless and trusting woman is later shown to have been murdered, with their infant son repatriated to the USSR to be raised by Robert's parents.

Although the Jennings are shown sympathetically, there can be little doubt for viewers that they are serving evil masters. Martindale will almost certainly be a continuing character and will do a superb job of combining sinister conduct with a superficially sweet appearance and manner.

Thus, although the Cold War FBI is shown as tough, it does not wantonly kill people as the Soviets do. And another good point for conservatives is that the Reagan administration is shown as determined to beat the USSR in the Cold War and as taking Soviet espionage as the deadly menace that it was. That stirs recollections of a bygone era in which American presidents were, well, vigorously pro-American.

45 posted on 02/14/2013 1:05:47 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: max americana

THere are only 2 gay characters on Glee that are main characters, Kurt and Blaine. Every other main charater is hetero, except for Britney, who is probably bi-sexual, and currently dating a guy.


46 posted on 02/14/2013 5:08:19 PM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Perdogg; cripplecreek; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; NFHale; BillyBoy; OKSooner

KGB recruiting Black radicals, they are really going for realism.


47 posted on 02/15/2013 6:48:36 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy
KGB recruiting Black radicals, they are really going for realism.

I noticed that myself.
48 posted on 02/15/2013 6:56:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; OKSooner

Soviets thought Haig was trying to stage a coup! Sounds like more realism!


49 posted on 02/23/2013 2:37:17 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; cripplecreek; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; OKSooner; GSP.FAN; SilvieWaldorfMD

I would like to see a remake of “Telefon” with Keri Russell playing Lee Remick’s part as Barbara (she looks just like her) and Jason Statham playing Major Grigori Borzov. Hans Zimmer can do the soundtrack, Michael Kaplan the costumes, and I can write the screenplay.


50 posted on 02/23/2013 2:44:41 PM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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