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Owner Of Cabin At Center Of Dorner Standoff Watched It Burn On TV
CBSLA.com) ^ | February 13, 2013 11:59 PM

Posted on 02/14/2013 9:00:38 AM PST by BenLurkin

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1 posted on 02/14/2013 9:00:43 AM PST by BenLurkin
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2 posted on 02/14/2013 9:03:26 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: BenLurkin

I heard a tape on radio yesterday, purported from the scene, that has a cop cursing, “BURN that MotherF****** DOWN”. Then a dispatcher stating in a calm, female voice, “We have fired seven burners, repeat, seven burners.”


3 posted on 02/14/2013 9:05:31 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: jimbo123
Somewhere in the "Activist Annex" of Hades, Saint Crispy Dorner has taken his place beside the revered Saint Pancake.
4 posted on 02/14/2013 9:07:09 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Sheriff’s Acknowledge Using Fire-Starting Pyrotechnic Tear Gas Against Dorner

February 13, 2013 10:36 PM

SAN BERNARDINO (CBSLA.com) — San Bernardino authorities Wednesday acknowledged they set off fire-causing pyrotechnic tear gas in a battle with murder suspect Christopher Dorner — but insisted they didn’t burn down the cabin where they believed he was holed up on purpose.

“We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out,” said San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon.

He said sheriff’s first used conventional tear gas but it didn’t have the desired effect.

The pyrotechnic tear gas (also called incendiary gas) is known to start fires.

Dave Bryan, CBS2 and KCAL9 political reporter, says the pyrotechnic tear gas is not used at demonstrations or to disperse crowds for that reason.

The fire effectively ended the blazing gun battle and violent standoff between sheriffs and Dorner.

Bryan spoke to retired FBI agent Steve Moore who said the fire-causing nature of pyrotechnic tear gas is why it is often not used.

He says it causes fires “routinely.” And he added, “I have never been on an operation where it was deployed. And I worked [alongside] SWAT full-time for five years.”

Moore believes it would have been “suicidal” to send a strike team into the cabin to try to get Dorner out. “Sending an assault team into that house would have been horrendously dangerous. From my understanding, he may have had an AR-15 an M4. You can engage people very effectively to 400 yards with that. And it is withering [gun]fire.”

In the end, Moore believes San Bernardino sheriffs didn’t have much choice but to use the less conventional tear gas. “They were in a life and death struggle. And you do what you have to to protect your men. And not just your men — the people who will die if you let that man getaway.”


5 posted on 02/14/2013 9:09:33 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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think it was insured?


6 posted on 02/14/2013 9:09:53 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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LOL!!!! Do you mean Rachel Corrie??


7 posted on 02/14/2013 9:10:33 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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Rambro was the typical demented liberal. He said was going to clear his name by murdering 4 people!
8 posted on 02/14/2013 9:10:37 AM PST by jimbo123
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9 posted on 02/14/2013 9:12:03 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: BenLurkin
HELP!

I am so totally confused. In listening to the news this morning and hearing a man and woman talking they made it sound like they were in the cabin and tied up, but Dormer said he wouldn't hurt them. They almost made it sound like they owned the cabin. I kept thinking how did they get away. Can someone clear this up for me?

10 posted on 02/14/2013 9:14:17 AM PST by Spunky
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“Rambro was the typical demented liberal.”

Well,,,, That’s why a “Show Trial” might have been fun to watch.


11 posted on 02/14/2013 9:15:11 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Spunky

That was the first cabin Doner entered.
The second cabin is the one that was burnt down.


12 posted on 02/14/2013 9:17:43 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Rambro would have been acquitted by his fellow aggrieved liberal fruitcakes and cop-haters in a “show trial”.


13 posted on 02/14/2013 9:20:15 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: BenLurkin
“Whatever happened to our cabin is inconsequential compared to what they lost. So I’m grateful law enforcement did what they needed to do to get this guy so he’s not on the loose anymore,”

But ... but ... he needed more time and more opportunities to kill some more people ... so he could then clear his name. And America is the land of opportunity and it was denied him. It was an injustice ... a denial of due process.

[Did I get it right???]

14 posted on 02/14/2013 9:20:30 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Just think how clear Rambro’s name would be if he had murdered 100 people!


15 posted on 02/14/2013 9:23:53 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Spunky
He hid in one cabin for several days. Tried to make a break for it by hijacking a pickup truck.

He was spotted driving and after a brief encounter fled on foot to the second cabin.

16 posted on 02/14/2013 9:24:57 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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“Moore believes it would have been “suicidal” to send a strike team into the cabin to try to get Dorner out. “Sending an assault team into that house would have been horrendously dangerous. From my understanding, he may have had an AR-15 an M4”

Not really suicidal, its done all the time all over the world and the USA. LAPD swat teams are great at it and the reason they use such force is because behind the door are bad people with AR-15’s and more.

More lies. I refuse to believe anything they say


17 posted on 02/14/2013 9:25:53 AM PST by winodog (Thank you Jesus for the calm in my life)
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San Bernardino authorities Wednesday acknowledged they set off fire-causing pyrotechnic tear gas in a battle with murder suspect Christopher Dorner — but insisted they didn’t burn down the cabin where they believed he was holed up on purpose. “We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out,” said San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon.

Who knew something called "pyrotechnic tear gas" could actually cause a fire.

18 posted on 02/14/2013 9:28:58 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: BenLurkin

I hope that family wasn’t hoping to use that rental cabin as a source of income anytime soon...


19 posted on 02/14/2013 9:31:19 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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I hope that family wasn’t hoping to use that rental cabin as a source of income anytime soon...

They can sell tickets to lookie loos.

20 posted on 02/14/2013 9:35:42 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Assuming the cabin is insured, I would think the carrier will have a dandy case against the police department. Surely the municipality will end up paying to have it rebuilt.


21 posted on 02/14/2013 9:37:50 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: BenLurkin

A little off topic, okay, way off topic but, if MS Candy Martin ever took the surname of her children’s baby-daddy, then she would be called,,,wait for it,,,MS CANDY FUNNEL!,,,,That sounds a little gauche. I can appreciate her dilema!


22 posted on 02/14/2013 9:40:54 AM PST by San Rafael Blue
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“Rambro would have been acquitted by his fellow aggrieved liberal fruitcakes “

Nah! But his ultra-lib, obama-lovin’ views would have been exposed to all. Now those views will be hidden.


23 posted on 02/14/2013 9:42:08 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: GeronL
think it was insured?

It should be insured by San Bernidino County.

24 posted on 02/14/2013 9:43:01 AM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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25 posted on 02/14/2013 9:43:01 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Darnright
Surely the municipality will end up paying to have it rebuilt.

Definitely cheaper than a trial and a 20 year death row stay and parade of appeals for Rambro.
26 posted on 02/14/2013 9:44:46 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Aargh! No trial!! That was one of the reasons I was so happy with the outcome. The mere thought of crazy California and a months-long freakshow media circus, replete with a hundred Geraldo wannabes and an idiotic jury pool that would free the blasted scumbag and turn him into a hip TMZ celebrity! Hardly need another lesson in how pathetically demented our justice system is, not to mention the country as a whole.

Still a shame about the cabin. That’s the only really sour note in all this. It apparently even had some historic value. Too bad the cops couldn’t drag him outside and then light him up. That would have been ideal.


27 posted on 02/14/2013 9:48:52 AM PST by greene66
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The police burned it down, the Police can build it back, with tax payers money of course.

Or

Put the cops on trial for arson.

Can’t have it both ways.


28 posted on 02/14/2013 9:50:22 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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I guess I am missing why it was better to set the cabin on fire than to simply wait for him to run out of food/water.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 9:50:54 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: American in Israel

“Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.”


30 posted on 02/14/2013 9:51:15 AM PST by dfwgator
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Some of the reward money should go to replacing this, if the insurance doesn't cover it.
31 posted on 02/14/2013 9:52:56 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: greene66

Once we accept that it is ok for the cops to become judge jury and exocutioner of a cop killer, how long before they start killing people for other crimes? More importantly, how long before they start killing people for aligning against the state?


32 posted on 02/14/2013 9:56:00 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: BenLurkin

If these cops were soldiers in Iraq, they’d be getting a court martial for murder.


33 posted on 02/14/2013 9:57:04 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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When you say “municipality”,you mean taxpayers,right?


34 posted on 02/14/2013 9:57:21 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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And then they said ‘Seven Oaks Mountain Cabins’ and we were like…wow,”


35 posted on 02/14/2013 9:57:33 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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Once we accept that it is ok for the cops to become judge jury and exocutioner of a cop killer, how long before they start killing people for other crimes?

Oh, for crying out loud. Dorner had shot and killed a deputy while trying to bolt from that very cabin. And there was an ongoing firefight after that. He wasn't just in the cabin doing nothing.

36 posted on 02/14/2013 10:00:54 AM PST by dirtboy
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I’m guessing they wanted to end it before it got dark. He might have tried to escape into the woods at night.


37 posted on 02/14/2013 10:11:38 AM PST by J05h
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To: BenLurkin

With audio of the cops screaming “Burn it down, bring in the Burners”, the homeowner’s insurance should have a case to recoup there loss from LAPD.


38 posted on 02/14/2013 10:12:58 AM PST by TexasCajun
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Poor lady


39 posted on 02/14/2013 10:14:34 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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He wasn't just in the cabin doing nothing.

Well, there was no cable, no phone, & no Internet. So I guess he might have been playing Russian Roulette.

Too soon?

40 posted on 02/14/2013 10:14:52 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

The lifespan of cop-killers on the run is historically very short. Who really expected a different outcome? It’s always been the case. Kind of an unwritten code. Nothing new, it’s gone on like this throughout the country’s history. I do not (at all!) see this as some kind of alarm-bell scenario akin to Ruby Ridge or Waco, which involved extremely disquieting federal actions.

Cops rendering Dormer extra-crispy doesn’t bother me one tiny, tiny bit. I’m thrilled the bastard is dead, and that there will be no idiotic trial. Nor would I have minded if it had been done by the hands of civilian vigilantes. In fact, that would have been even more satisfying.


41 posted on 02/14/2013 10:16:22 AM PST by greene66
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Maybe he was playing Risk.


42 posted on 02/14/2013 10:18:51 AM PST by dirtboy
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Or Clue.


43 posted on 02/14/2013 10:36:46 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Flick Lives

I think it’s something like the “tear gas” used in Waco. BTW love your tag line.


44 posted on 02/14/2013 10:52:13 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

No phone to call Jesse Jackson or Charlie Sheen?...To bad!


45 posted on 02/14/2013 11:01:28 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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It’s a tear-jerker, ain’t it?


46 posted on 02/14/2013 11:04:49 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I was using “Rambro” in the 1980s in Houston, now it finally catches on.


47 posted on 02/14/2013 11:08:57 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
That is what they call Pyro-tear gas as opposed to the powder or cold tear gas.
48 posted on 02/14/2013 11:20:56 AM PST by Domangart
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To: Spunky
I am so totally confused. In listening to the news this morning and hearing a man and woman talking they made it sound like they were in the cabin and tied up, but Dormer said he wouldn't hurt them. They almost made it sound like they owned the cabin. I kept thinking how did they get away. Can someone clear this up for me?

The first cabin was located across the street from the police command post/media briefing center. Dorner was holed-up there since Thursday. It was vacant until the owners, a husband and wife, arrived to clean it up. Dorner captured them and tied them up, then stole their car to make a break for it.

During his escape, he was spotted by a pair of park rangers, but when he broke that car, he jacked a guy driving a pick-up. He let the guy and his dog go and was driving along a dirt road when a pair of fish and game wardens spotted him and gave chase. He got the truck stuck in a ditch and fled into the cabin that burned down.

A resident who lived 4 doors down from the first cabin, also located across the street from the command post/media briefing center said no one ever came to search their house, meaning that no one searched the cabin in which Dorner was holed-up.

So, he was hidden under the noses of the police the entire time and would have remained undiscovered except for the chance encounter with the husband and wife.

49 posted on 02/14/2013 11:22:25 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: BenLurkin

Any potential property buyers would find it difficult to ignore the memory of what was cooking there.


50 posted on 02/14/2013 11:35:32 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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