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ZOT! Signs that the NRA is losing
Chi Trib ^ | 2-27 | Clarence Page

Posted on 02/27/2013 11:21:30 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

Now that they're facing Washington's first serious push for new gun violence prevention laws since the Columbine massacre, gun lobbyists are grasping at straws — as in "straw" purchases.

That's the slang for someone who legally buys a firearm from a licensed gun dealer, then sells it to someone whose criminal or mental health record prohibits them from making a legal purchase.

The National Rifle Association's official position favors prosecuting straw purchasers, but defends allowing sales at gun shows without background checks from private dealers.

In the 1990s, you may recall, Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president, supported universal background checks for all gun purchasers. "No exceptions," he said.

Now the organization is against background checks, calling the current push in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre "a thinly veiled national gun registration scheme."

As if that were a bad thing. It is ridiculous in my view to require licenses for cars but not for guns. Yet, while all states require licenses for cars, the federal government prohibits itself, at the NRA's urging, from keeping a national registry of gun owners.

Short of that, most of the country, including many gun owners in recent surveys, favor background checks as a reasonable requirement for people who want to purchase firearms.

(Excerpt) Read more at my.chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; banglist; clarencepage; guncontrol; nra; rkba; secondamendment
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1 posted on 02/27/2013 11:21:31 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Driving isn’t a right. End of debate.


2 posted on 02/27/2013 11:25:49 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Driving isn’t a right. End of debate.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 11:26:12 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Bull crap. No background checks. Tackle the real problem mental illness, bring back the mental institutions from years ago, maybe you can start in Washington DC.


4 posted on 02/27/2013 11:26:20 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

This requires a BARF ALERT.


5 posted on 02/27/2013 11:26:42 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
It is ridiculous in my view to require licenses for cars but not for guns

I must have missed the Right to Keep & Drive Cars in The Bill of Rights.

6 posted on 02/27/2013 11:27:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Bull crap. No background checks. Tackle the real problem mental illness, bring back the mental institutions from years ago, maybe you can start in Washington DC.


7 posted on 02/27/2013 11:27:51 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

If they are loosing or so out of touch, why have so many people joined the NRA since Newtown? I just joined and they had a 8 week backlog for new member cards.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 11:30:00 AM PST by matt04
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Why does anyone even care to read what the Tribune things of the NRA?!?


9 posted on 02/27/2013 11:31:34 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Consider where the story came from (A Chicago Rag)

Over all I think they (Gun Grabers)can “BITE ME”

MOLON LABE

10 posted on 02/27/2013 11:32:19 AM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416 "It’s one thing to make a law, It’s another to enforce it.")
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Signs that the NRAChi Trib is losing. I wonder if what their Profit and Loss balance sheet looks like on this rag.
11 posted on 02/27/2013 11:34:19 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Signs that the NRA is losing:

“I turn on my TV every night and every channel I turn to tells me they’re losing”.


12 posted on 02/27/2013 11:34:52 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: matt04

It’s the old “implied close” in sales terms. Talk as if it’s a done deal, and pretty soon people start to accept tjat it is.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 11:35:19 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

One can own a car or several cars without having to ‘license’ or even register them as long as they are not driven on the public highways.


14 posted on 02/27/2013 11:36:23 AM PST by yadent
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Clarence Page=Obamabot


15 posted on 02/27/2013 11:39:15 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: BipolarBob

The Tribune is up for sale. Perhaps, the NRA could buy it and not renew Clarence Page’s contract.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 11:39:48 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Who but this corrupt and vile administration would know more about straw purchases. After all that was their MO during the F&F days. We have entered the Royal Epoch, those in DC are a law unto themselves. We the People are now all serfs. The only nit is the serfs arent all that keen to give up arms. The Royals only have the force card yet to play. They sure dont have legal authority to do what theyre about to do.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 11:39:48 AM PST by 556x45
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I’m sure all the weapons used in 500 murders in Chicago last year were ALL legally purchased.They are throwing stones in a bio-dome!


18 posted on 02/27/2013 11:42:45 AM PST by Renegade
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To: All

When I hear straw gun purchases I think of gunwalking and then Fast and Furious. Perhaps the Obama admin can enlighten us on how what they did was not in violation of present law and why they think more laws are the answer to their manufactured crisis.


19 posted on 02/27/2013 11:46:43 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Hugin

I’m not buying it and neither are a thousand or so of my gun club buddies!


20 posted on 02/27/2013 11:51:30 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Is it only the NRA which stands to lose?

Is it not all Americans?


21 posted on 02/27/2013 11:55:54 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs; Admin Moderator
EPU - go away lefty dweeb.

Admin Mod. - time for our friend to go bye-bye, me thinks (see recent articles posted from lefty sources).

22 posted on 02/27/2013 11:57:34 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
In Obama’s Amerika no rights are safe. I never thought that obamcare would stand. I never thought Obunga would be reelected. I never thought men would be able to marry each other. I never thought so many conservatives would turn into rinos. I never believed that whites would be treated as second class citizens.

Are gun rights safe?

23 posted on 02/27/2013 12:00:42 PM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: FReepers; Patriots

PRESS

to GIT-R-DONE!

Every Contribution Counts and Every Contribution is Truly and Greatly Appreciated!

LESS THAN 1,200. to GO!!


24 posted on 02/27/2013 12:03:51 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Rappini

For decades, every state operated its own facilities for mental health. Then, in 1962, JFK (the first one) decided to open the arms of the federal government and take over this duty.
It never happened.


25 posted on 02/27/2013 12:06:37 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Hey Chicago Tribune!

Did you get a Federal License, a personal background check, and a speech registration for that article?


26 posted on 02/27/2013 12:07:51 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

When there is an hitoric example of a tyrant confiscating cars as a necessary step in his march to totalitarianism, we can have a meaningful discussion.

Until then, the argument is fatuous.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 12:12:17 PM PST by GilesB
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To: Rappini
Background checks = Gun registration
PERIOD

No one in their right mind would trust the government to destroy the information they receive when a background check is submitted.
28 posted on 02/27/2013 12:16:07 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Now the organization is against background checks, calling the current push in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre "a thinly veiled national gun registration scheme."

As if that were a bad thing. It is ridiculous in my view to require licenses for cars but not for guns.

Clarence. Clarence, Clarence.

The Second Amendment applies to our rights from GOD, not the DMV.

A human being has the right to defend and protect his life, a right granted by GOD, not any gummint.

Clarence, you are ridiculous, in my view.

And how does any thing this idiot wrote show that the NRA is losing?

29 posted on 02/27/2013 12:16:23 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Ah, good ol’ Clarence. The oxygen must be running out in that bubble-world he lives in.


30 posted on 02/27/2013 12:17:56 PM PST by DemforBush (When life gives you lemons, hoard them and make a killing in citrus futures!)
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To: safeasthebanks

I’m on your side. Just thought my fellow sharks might like to feed on a bit of chum. Bon appetite!


31 posted on 02/27/2013 12:22:56 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs (The Ameritopian Motto: Gov The Sheeple, Buy The Sheeple, Bore The Sheeple)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Yeah? Trying telling that in Westford, Massachusetts, where gun-owners made town selectmen wet themselves for proposing a gun ban. Massachusetts, Chicago Drivel.
32 posted on 02/27/2013 12:23:59 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: massgopguy

Amen Brother.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 12:25:57 PM PST by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Chicago sucks rooster. That’s all I have to say.


34 posted on 02/27/2013 12:26:22 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
"... It is ridiculous in my view to require licenses for cars but not for guns."

Can I be held responsible for selling a used car to a felon or other 'prohibited person'?

There's no Federal registry of automobiles, you know. Its all done at the state level. Why isn't the Department of Transportation keeping lists of felons who own cars? Can a felon/ex-con legally cross state lines in a vehicle? How come you're allowing them a car to do just that?

Why are you allowing felonious migratory predators the means of transportation they need to commit violent crimes? Haven't you ever heard of women and children being abducted by felons in vehicles? How come you aren't against 'Rapist Vans' like you are against 'Assault Weapons'? Honestly now, who legitimately needs a trunk large enough to hold two dead gangsters or even a single bound and captive female sex slave in this day in age?

Why aren't you calling for legislation to make ex-cons and parolees have special license plates to identify them to law enforcement, so that they can be pulled over at will and searched? Oregon and Washington state, New Jersey and Illinois seem to want to do this to legal gun owners by allowing the police a warrantless search at the property of gun owners.

A motor vehicle is a necessary component of drive-by shootings, home burglaries, and home invasion robberies. Why would you allow anyone to just sell a car to some unknown individual without a background check on some lame promise that the buyer will register the car within 30 days? Why don't you go ask a police officer how many motorists they encounter without valid registration first.

Hell, California even has a policy where police officers can't tow cars from illegal aliens who haven't got valid car registration. Why doesn't that sentiment apply to guns? Why shouldn't gun owners justifiably regard gun registration with the same non-chalance?

The fact is that vehicle registration is a joke in almost every locale. Why would you expect gun registration to be any different?

35 posted on 02/27/2013 12:26:35 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Yet, while all states require licenses for cars, the federal government prohibits itself, at the NRA's urging, from keeping a national registry of gun owners.

The exact same argument the leftards made when pushing Obamacare. Yo, fools -- driving is a PRIVELEGE. Gun ownership is a RIGHT!

36 posted on 02/27/2013 12:49:11 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Right. The NRA is “losing.” This is so readily evidenced by the millions of gun and ammo purchases, along with new NRA memberships since the killings in Newtown, CT.

You’re right on it, Clarence...

Oh, wait...


37 posted on 02/27/2013 12:52:37 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ScottinVA

Exactly ! Our RIGHT to keep and bear arms is recognized and codified in the Constitution. Driving a car is NOT.


38 posted on 02/27/2013 12:53:42 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Oh yeah, this Clarence Page photo clarencepage_zps6cd54647.jpg empty headed liberal really knows just how the NRA is losing the argument.
39 posted on 02/27/2013 1:04:29 PM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Short of that, most of the country, including many gun owners in recent surveys, favor background checks as a reasonable requirement for people who want to purchase firearms.

If you ask the question this way, I'm sure that this is a true statement. What he's slyly leaving out is that most people don't reflect that the present "background check" needlessly leaves a paper trail of the buyer's name, address, date of birth and the weapon make, model and serial number.

But there's no reason it has to be that way: you could easily re-structure the system to check an individual against a "prohibited person" list -- eg felons, without the use of a 4473. If there's a need for "common sense" gun laws, let's start with getting rid of the backdoor registration we currently have in place.

40 posted on 02/27/2013 1:14:50 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Rappini
What most libtards do not seem to understand or even care to understand is that most illegal gun sales to criminals and whack-jobs alike do not take place at your local Gander Mountain or regional gun show.

They take place out of car trunks late at night in your inner city neighborhoods. Let them try to regulate those gun transfers.

41 posted on 02/27/2013 2:00:07 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
. It is ridiculous in my view to require licenses for cars but not for guns. Yet, while all states require licenses for cars,

I don't need a license for my car. I don't need a driver's license either. If I had a few acres of land I could drive around it all I wanted without either. I need them to drive my car on the government's roads. It's not linked to the car, it is linked to the use of the car on their roads.

How many of the cars in the Daytona 500 had license plates from their home states? The tow vehicles, trailers and other transports had plates, but the race cars don't drive on the road. (Hmm, I wonder if states hosting Gran Prix style races on city streets will try to squeeze a few extra bucks out by making the cars get plates.)

42 posted on 02/27/2013 2:36:29 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Bite me, Carl. God and the US Constitution say I have a natural right to keep and bear arms the same as any member of a standing army would have. I have no concern for the opinions of you or the Chicago Tribune. Keep poking the tiger, morons.


43 posted on 02/27/2013 2:46:35 PM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

“a thinly veiled national gun registration scheme.”

As if that were a bad thing. It is ridiculous in my view to require licenses for cars but not for guns. Yet, while all states require licenses for cars, the federal government prohibits itself, at the NRA’s urging, from keeping a national registry of gun owners.

You damn right it’s a bad thing and it’s not the NRA
that prohibits the federal government it’s the
Constitution Clarence.

IT’S THE CONSTITUTION CLARENCE !


44 posted on 02/27/2013 2:55:24 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
ZZZZZZOTTTTTTTT!!!

You still on my side, sweetie?

45 posted on 02/27/2013 3:01:57 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

We don’t post anything fron Clarence Page here without a BARF ALERT! in the title.


46 posted on 02/27/2013 3:14:32 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:exxonpatrolus/index?tab=articles


47 posted on 02/27/2013 3:20:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: TheOldLady

Dead troll alert - ExxonPatrolUs


48 posted on 02/27/2013 3:21:41 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Now they just throw them in with the regular prison population and hope for the best.


49 posted on 02/27/2013 4:04:11 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Hello, Clarence.


50 posted on 02/27/2013 5:29:11 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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