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To: muawiyah

Again with demeaning language. But Pope Francis - who, as a Cardinal, supported equal rights for gays through civil unions - says we should turn hate into love.

The ‘privileges and immunities’ clauses, one in the main body and the other in the 14th Amendment, do indeed do whatever they do. Thus, Justice Scalia asked the attorney for the homosexual side, when did gay marriage come to be protected by the Constitution, upon the Constitution’s adoption or upon the adoption of the 14th Amendment? Or, when?

I think the attorney missed the ball. The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment kicked in as a result of the accumulation of many rewards and punishments to marriage, in the tax code, in Social Security, in the common and statutory law concerning inheritance and guardianship, in the regulation of housing, and I could go on. Exactly when the scale was tipped is unclear, and not particularly important. But, in broad terms, it happened after the government started getting into income taxes (the 17th Amendment), the regulation of adoption (the turn of the 19th into the 20th century), the enactment of the Social Security system (1935), and so forth. In other words, well after the adoption of the Constitution and of the 14th Amendment, when America started down the road of big government.

Getting back to the original point of this discussion - unintended consequences of libertarians - it wasn’t libertarians who lathered in all these rewards and punishments into marriage. I tend to think the lathering in was nobody’s fault, but something we just backed into because we didn’t think it through.

But, now that we are where we are, what is clear is that the libertarian - live and let live position, of not having the government regulating our private lives - would have avoided the mess we’re in.


26 posted on 04/01/2013 12:57:21 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

The ‘cause’ of disconsolation is simply the federal estate tax and the federal income tax. Eliminate both and the balance of the heavens is reinstated.


28 posted on 04/01/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Self described Libertarians are turning into the 21st century version of the useful idiots of Stalin’s time.

They just want the government to “get out of” health choices and aka unfettered abortions and open marijuana use, international relations aka gut the military, and personal behavior aka legalize hard drugs all while ignoring christian influence in our founding and stripping God from public life.

They place self worship over God just like the left places Obama worship over God and it’s all to the same ends.

At one time, I could have been on board but I grew-up, stopped hanging around people that just wanted to smoke dope, snort lines, get laid and have abortions. Those people used to be called democrats. I now understand that there are consequences for our actions and no matter what anyone says, I will have to pay for all the great “freedoms” the libertarian democrats dream-up sooner or later.


29 posted on 04/01/2013 1:17:32 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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