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1 posted on 04/08/2013 12:00:11 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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Single day, high volume 17th Amendment ping!

Freepmail to jump on or off the train.

2 posted on 04/08/2013 12:03:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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With passage of the 17th it is hard to come up with any reason for the senate to exist.


3 posted on 04/08/2013 12:14:00 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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It took them a while, but those who crave power have finally found a way to turn the Constitution on its head.

They now interpret it as limits set on the people, meaning what is not expressly provided for in the Bill of Rights belong to the Feds, whose only limit is what is expressly written into the Constitution, everything else being allowed for them (through their "interpretation").

4 posted on 04/08/2013 12:27:12 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Good essay. Thanks.

How about a big steaming bowlful of pure democracy ... guaranteed to take your rights.


7 posted on 04/08/2013 12:34:58 PM PDT by glock rocks (No, the game never ends, when your whole world depends, on the turn of a friendy card.)
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Excellent, Jacquerie. I suspect it will be nigh impossible to undo the 17th. My suggestion is that states should force their Representatives and Senators to live at home and “telecommute” to Congress.

Empty DC - the most liberal place in America and end its influence on the minds of our elected representatives.

Having them at home means they're closer to their state than to internationalists, lobbyists and the professional political entourage.

8 posted on 04/08/2013 12:36:27 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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And the national media has a multiplier effect upon the de-federalization of the Senate.
Senators run in the national media, unlike House candidates.

...Perhaps there’s a case that can be made to make the House less majoritarian- though that’s the opposite of the original plan it may return some balance.


12 posted on 04/08/2013 12:48:41 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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Thanks, Jacquerie, especially for that final paragraph!

The following list of our Founders' protections for liberty is copied with permission from an essay in a Bicentennial Volume honoring our Constitution (see footnote). It highlights your point about the wisdom of the Founders' method for the Senate:

Checks And Balances

Limited And Balanced
Government

The Constitution was devised with an ingenious and intricate built-in system of checks and balances to guard the people's liberty against combinations of government power. It structured the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary separate and wholly independent as to function, but coor­dinated for proper operation, with safeguards to prevent usurpations of power. Only by balancing each against the other two could freedom be preserved, said John Adams.

Another writer of the day summarized clearly the reasons for such checks and balances:

"INDEED, the dependence of any of these powers upon either of the others ... has so often been productive of such calamities... that the page of history seems to be one continued tale of human wretchedness." (Theophilus Parsons, ESSEX RESULTS)

What were some of these checks and balances believed so important to individual liberty? Several are listed below:

It is up to each generation to see that the integrity of the Constitutional structure for a free society is maintained by carefully preserving the system of checks and balances essential to limited and balanced government. "To preserve them (is) as necessary as to institute them," said George Washington.


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5


18 posted on 04/08/2013 1:17:20 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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The 16th, 17th and 18th Amendments were all Woodrow Wilson incarnations. Wilson who as a Princeton academic thinking himself superior and refined to the previous Theodore Roosevelt rough riding brutes was able to ride a short wave of populism to bring American society up to the ‘standards’ of European monarchies. He also steered America into its first world war.

Wilson’s air and belief of superiority was not only false but self-deceiving. He was not aware of the human condition that the Founders were so keenly astute. In age of wireless radio, of telephones, automobiles, skyscrapers, motion pictures and other modern era miracles, Wilson thought then as many do today that human nature was fundamentally altered.

The 18th was repealed but the 16th and 17th slowly encroached on American freedoms and government institutions until we have a centralized state today with 50 subsidiary administrations. The latter in itself is doesn’t ‘sound or seem’ so bad but for the unintended consequences of an irrelevant 10th Amendment from which federal government encroachment is strengthened.

The combination of the 16th and the 17th Amendments gave our socialist power brokers the tools they needed to radically alter the American idea.

It wasn’t Roosevelt that started this prolonged transformation into a socialist state, it was Wilson. Roosevelt was merely a tactician whereas Wilson was the progenitor but in reality he was a dupe. a very unwise indeed stupid man who believed his own lies about himself.


22 posted on 04/08/2013 1:48:37 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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Why the legislatures of the several States ever ratified this Amendment is beyond me. It is truly incomprehensible.


29 posted on 04/08/2013 2:51:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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The 17th ended the direct influence of state power on the US. From there is it was just a matter of time (about a Century, as it turned out).

Thanks, Jacquerie, for the ping. Very good article.

33 posted on 04/08/2013 6:41:17 PM PDT by YHAOS
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It's hard to convince most people that they should transfer their power to directly elect Senators to a legislature full of political hacks. Most folks don't see their state legislators as having a monopoly on good sense or good judgement.

You have a good point, but it's a tough sell.

36 posted on 04/09/2013 7:49:29 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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As horrible as the 17th Amendment is, I think the 16th is worse. it is a tough call as to which sucks more.


43 posted on 04/10/2013 10:08:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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