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To: Jeff Winston
I'M the one who has posted sources and information with linkage to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, and the real authorities of the entire Founding Generation.

No you aren't. You just CLAIM that they are linked. Your best authority so far is RAWLE, and he was not even a delegate.

St. George Tucker is probably the next best thing you've got, and he wasn't a delegate either.

Other than Rawle and Tucker, you've got what? A Whole lot of NOTHING. Even Rawle and Tucker are pretty much nothing because neither of them was in the deliberations.

101 posted on 04/15/2013 7:17:24 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
No you aren't. You just CLAIM that they are linked. Your best authority so far is RAWLE, and he was not even a delegate.

YOU'RE here pleading David Ramsay, who couldn't even get more than ONE vote in the House of Representatives and who was shot down by Father of the Constitution James Madison.

YOU'RE here pleading Samuel Roberts, who was simply a minor judge whose jurisdiction extended to several COUNTIES.

And whose opinion was shot down in no uncertain terms by the US District Attorney for the entire State.

YOU'RE here pleading Alexander Porter Morse, who had no association with the Founders at all, and who at one point contradicts himself, and you.

YOU'RE here pleading Senator Jacob Howard, who as far as we can tell, didn't even start talking about citizenship until 75 years after the Constitution was written.

Who also was there when his fellow Senators said children born in the United States of non-citizen parents were natural born citizens, even if the parents were only here temporarily, unless their parents were ambassadors, and who never raised the slightest objection to that.

YOU'RE here pretending that James Madison supports you, when Madison said that when it comes to the allegiance that makes for citizenship, "place" is "the more certain" criterion, and is "what applies in the United States."

YOU'RE here pretending that a pseudonymous letter-writer to a newspaper in 1812 was President James Madison, when there's really nothing of any substance at all to indicate the letter writer was Madison, and he - or she - could just as well have been any one of literally millions of other people.

You are a FRAUD. And your FRAUDNESS is shown quite clearly by demanding extraordinary linkages to the Founding Fathers that go far, FAR beyond anything that you yourself can POSSIBLY produce in support of your bogus, dishonest twisting of history and our Constitution.

I am working on an answer to the rest of your BS, but I have other things I'm doing, and it's taking a bit of time.

Suffice it to say for the moment, William Rawle was a much more authoritative spokesman for the Founding Fathers and Framers than I even realized. What I am writing in response to your BS is important enough that I am probably going to publish it here as a an entirely separate post.

We have literally TONS of evidence throughout history that your entire claim is absolute BS.

But even if we ONLY had William Rawle to rely on, Rawle alone utterly destroys your Constitution-twisting claim.

107 posted on 04/16/2013 9:00:05 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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