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I've been giving this a lot of though lately. Perhaps we all need to consider the darker side of "winning."
1 posted on 05/13/2013 1:24:39 PM PDT by oldfart
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To: oldfart

If we win, I’m afraid I’ll have to stand on the sidelines...because my thoughts right now are not nice.

Not nice at all.


2 posted on 05/13/2013 1:27:07 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: oldfart

No problem for most ideologies, but a real problem for American conservatives.

Our system is based on “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” What you are talking about means we would “save” America by destroying what America stands for.

Is “winning” even possible, given such alternatives? Do we designate some as “enemies of the people,” and exclude them from the benefits of citizenship?

There is a precedent for doing so, provided by the Founders themselves. Look up how Loyalists were treated during and after the Revolution by the winners.


3 posted on 05/13/2013 1:31:09 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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4 posted on 05/13/2013 1:31:45 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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I'm pretty much on board with the scheme described in "Tales of New America", posted on the Bastion of Liberty blog here, but soon to be a book.

A breakaway region of America comes to power through oil money, then invades liberal states and cities, takes out the ghetto criminals, rounds up the liberals and tells them to either leave now, or you will be shipped to a relocation camp. And you will never be able to vote ever again.

Everything is done with kindness, and nobody is harmed permanently unless they attack the invading force (which the libs don't do). But they are not allowed power in society ever again, and their kids have to attend education on the Constitution, Christianity, and the (actually old) order of society.

5 posted on 05/13/2013 1:35:17 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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If the conservatives win then that means no more freebies from the government.

Maybe they'll just self-deport if the choice is between staying and getting a job, or leaving and getting put on the dole somewhere else.

6 posted on 05/13/2013 1:37:34 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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That is the problem with war. Whatever benevolent thoughts you may take pride in now, know this: if you are (un)fortunate enough to survive you will witness atrocities that will blow whatever benevolent intent you told yourself of away like chaff. In the words of Arlo Guthrie, you will want to chew dead bodies and pick you teeth with their bones.


7 posted on 05/13/2013 1:37:39 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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“I’ve been giving this a lot of though lately. Perhaps we all need to consider the darker side of “winning.””

Whatever the response is, it needs to reflect the cause. If they become terrorists then there are laws to deal with that. Anything the losing side does is covered by our current laws. The winners simply impose the penalties currently in place. For example, the nun who broke into a classified, highly guarded nuclear site went to prison. The rioters who smashed windows at every meeting of the G8 were arrested. (I presume they were prosecuted, but don’t know for sure.) I’m not concerned with the darker side of winning. Eco-terrorists are busy right now sabotaging logging roads with tire-puncture devices. If they get caught they can go to prison. (They never get caught. Likewise, the arsonists who burned the housing development out west and destroyed the Hummer dealerships has never been caught; despite bragging online. Frankly, I don’t thing the FBI is even looking for him.) Presumably, the FBI and Justice department would again be defending the United States rather than illegals and Occupy people.


8 posted on 05/13/2013 1:38:28 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Been reading the Turner Diaries again?


9 posted on 05/13/2013 1:40:16 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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How about we put our fate in God’s hands and let Him deal with the problem. (no offense to the folks here who don’t believe)?


11 posted on 05/13/2013 1:44:54 PM PDT by bergmeid (I told you so - now pass the ammo.)
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You raise an interesting question. Thanks.

Using the early history of our Colonial settlements, the settlers who refused to work starved to death.

When the Federal “Safety Net” is eliminated suddenly by Financial Market forces, what % of the 47 % who are dependent on the Federal Safety Net will work to support themselves?

Will the alien illegal invaders from Mexico be driven back into Mexico by the US Military, or by starving Legal Americans?

Liberals are basically parasites on those who work.

Without Federal Aid to Education, professors who are “pointy-headed, pseudo-intellectuals, who can’t even park a bicycle straight” will have to choose between righteous starvation, and actual work on a supply and demand pay scale.


13 posted on 05/13/2013 1:50:53 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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Just for your reference, links to Tales from New America:

#1/ #2/ #3/ #4/ #5/ #6/ #7/ #8/ #9/ #10

#11/ #12/ #13/ #14/ #15/ #16/ #17/ #18/ #19/ #20/ #21/ #22/ #23

14 posted on 05/13/2013 1:51:41 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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Set up a reservation and let them organize their commune as they see fit.

Let them live in their own sh*t.


16 posted on 05/13/2013 2:03:01 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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Yeah, we need not trade in a left-wing oligarcy or dictatorship for a right wing one. WE could become the monsters we despise. Some of my ancestors were Russian Jews who suffered under the pogroms because of who they were and my grandfather went from Omaha Beach to the horrors of Buchenwald. Myself I would tend to favor more of a libertarian system like in L. Neil Smith's, ""Roswell Texas." but I digress. I see myself as a "right leaning libertarian." My opinion, I'd give the libs the corridor from Boston to DC and east of the Appalachians and perhaps the "left coast." They can have their "Obama Paradise" if they like and keep it as long as they don't threaten us. I favor a peaceful divide.
21 posted on 05/13/2013 4:09:20 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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“I am persuaded that this is a righteous judgement of God on these barbarous wretches, who have imbrued their hands with so much innocent blood; and that it will tend to prevent the effusion of blood for the future, which are satisfactory grounds for such actions which cannot otherwise but work remorse and regret.”
- Oliver Cromwell, referring to the siege and subsequent massacre of Drogheda.

I agree with Cromwell.


22 posted on 05/13/2013 6:40:28 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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