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To: Nero Germanicus
There is no difference in law between a Citizen of the United States At Birth and a Natural Born Citizen.

That's the prevailing view on the subject among legal scholars, though I'd stop just short of calling it the consensus view. It is not, however, a popular view on Free Republic. There is no definitive point of view, because SCOTUS hasn't ruled on point.

If you don’t have Scalia and Thomas, you can’t win with a Vattel/Minor theory at the Supreme Court.

I think that's safe to say.

157 posted on 05/21/2013 3:28:59 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError
There is no definitive point of view, because SCOTUS hasn't ruled on point.

SCOTUS may decide what gets forced down our throats, but this is a very different thing from deciding what is true.

Do you support Roe v Wade? If not, then tell me again about SCOTUS deciding stuff?

159 posted on 05/21/2013 3:34:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ReignOfError

The difference between a Citizen of the United States At Birth and a Natural Born Citizen is that the first can be so by naturalization statute while the latter requires no statute.


163 posted on 05/21/2013 3:41:37 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ReignOfError

I don’t know of a single legal scholar who has advocated for a different point of view from the one expressed in the majority opinion in 1884’s Elk v. Wilkens: “This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.’”


164 posted on 05/21/2013 3:44:13 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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