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To: Jeff Winston
The graphic and your explanation demonstrate muddled thinking.

So the left part is people who get their citizenship solely from jus soli (born on US soil, but parents were not citizens at the time of birth, e.g., Marco Rubio). The center is people who have both jus soli and jus sanguinis (born on US soil of one or more citizen parents). And the right is those who get their citizenship solely from jus sanguinis (born a citizen abroad to one or more citizen parents, e.g., Ted Cruz.)
Facts from the Left Set:
  1. born on US soil
  2. parents were not citizens at the time of birth

Facts from the Right Set:

  1. born a citizen abroad
  2. to one or more citizen parents

Your proposed intersection (the center):

  1. born on US soil
  2. one or more citizen parents

What about Fact 2 from the Left Set? What about Fact 1 from the Right Set?

Failure to separate the individual facts is a cause of error.

329 posted on 05/23/2013 12:50:53 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

Believe me, Ray, I understand both the facts and the diagrams with absolute clarity.

And the way I’ve presented the situation is correct. If you can’t understand it, or can’t accept it, that’s really your problem, not mine.


331 posted on 05/23/2013 5:35:47 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Ray76
What about Fact 2 from the Left Set? What about Fact 1 from the Right Set?

And those are irrelevant. Either jus soli or jus sanguinis, by itself, is enough to make a person a citizen by birth, and (as James Bayard said and Chief Justice John Marshall approved) citizenship by birth is sufficient for a person to be, Constitutionally, a "natural born citizen" for Article II Presidential eligibility purposes.

You've got your choice. You can either hold to the birther theory of what a natural born citizen "must" be, or you can hold to the Founding Fathers, our history, our laws, and the Constitution.

You just can't have both.

332 posted on 05/23/2013 5:53:38 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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