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Don't be scared of Wagner
Daily Telegraph ^ | 5/20/2013 | Sameer Rahim

Posted on 05/21/2013 11:56:02 AM PDT by Borges

Wednesday marks 200 years since the birth of Richard Wagner, the most violently controversial musician in history. His Italian contemporary Verdi – born in the same year – is acknowledged as a genius for all time. But Wagner, though he has the more passionate advocates, also has the most determined detractors. Why, they complain, are his operas so heavy-sounding, so terribly long, so full of weird mythical figures? In short: why are they so German?

When I started going to the opera not so long ago, I was asked which work had drawn me to the art form. Perhaps people expected me to say a lyrical Rossini or delightful Mozart, because I got funny looks when I said it was Wagner’s final opera, Parsifal – the six-hour epic based on medieval legend, featuring the Holy Grail and a castrated sorcerer. “Oh,” said one woman I met, “don’t tell me you’re becoming one of those Wagnerians?” She could barely hide her distaste.

What I loved about Parsifal was that transcendent music was allied to superb drama. Parsifal, an innocent knight, battles his way into a sorcerer’s lair in order to rescue a holy spear. To succeed, he must reject the sexual temptation of the flower maidens who, like the Sirens of Greek mythology, send many a knight to his doom. It might sound a touch silly, but in an age when we’re happy to read deep meanings into fantasies such as The Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones, ­surely we can be open-minded about Wagner’s plots?

A bigger problem is the Nazi associations.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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To: MinuteGal
I admit Wagner can be a bit thick(it is German, after all/s)but the only reason I got into it at the beginning because of it was a influence upon JRR Tolkien and his opus “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

Wagner was a gateway into the world of opera, I, like your husband, was raised in a rural area where Hank Williams was on the radio not Madame Butterfly.

Still, I ain't gonnin’ to see “Cats” no matter how good it is suppose to be/ lol

41 posted on 05/21/2013 1:48:43 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: elcid1970

(grins)


42 posted on 05/21/2013 1:52:34 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: jammer
It all in WHO is watching it.

Frankly some people hate just because they heard Hitler loved it or that Wagner was an anti Semite
Of these critics have a jaundiced eye towards it way before the opening of the first act.

It's their lost.

BTW The NY Metropolitan Opera did a great performance of the Der Ring des Nibelungen and the stage it was performed on almost outshone the actors. It, along with great lightening kept shifting like giant keys on a piano. Words fail me but one has to see it to appreciate the genius of it's workings...

If you like Wagner you gotta get a copy of this version of it.

43 posted on 05/21/2013 2:10:09 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Borges

I do love me some Tannhäuser.


44 posted on 05/21/2013 2:39:19 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: left that other site
I’m weird.

Don't forget Leonard Cohen, Iron Butterfly & Queen.

45 posted on 05/21/2013 2:42:01 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: Revolting cat!

What was this thread about again?


46 posted on 05/21/2013 2:43:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MinuteGal

I drug my ex to the HGO, she slept the first three years, then she got it.


47 posted on 05/21/2013 2:43:25 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: Borges

The Liebestod from Tristan und Isolde is brilliant...as is much his music. That he was a solid gold pr*ck is a separate issue.


48 posted on 05/21/2013 2:43:54 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: petro45acp

and the chorus from Mahler’s 1st”

Mahler’s 2nd, maybe (or 8th)?


49 posted on 05/21/2013 2:48:16 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: RedMonqey

That particular staging was shown in HD around the country at the cinema. I went to a few. Missed a few also, but will get the DVDs....


50 posted on 05/21/2013 2:51:53 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: MinuteGal

I like you.


51 posted on 05/21/2013 2:52:07 PM PDT by real saxophonist (If something is TRULY 'common sense', then a law about it is unneccesary.)
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To: Borges

I have been to the opera many times over 35 years, but never to Wagner.

Until May 11, when I saw Gotterdamerung at the Met.

Wow. When it was over after 6 hours, I still wanted more.


52 posted on 05/21/2013 2:56:18 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: jammer
Beethoven ... sound...plebeian. Now when it gets to that point, it's a pathology.

Whew. At least you recognize that you're not well. The first step to solving a problem is recognizing that you have one.

53 posted on 05/21/2013 2:59:35 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Borges
Ride Wagner RIDE!!!
54 posted on 05/21/2013 3:22:14 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Borges

Well, yes. And the shady deal was trading his sister-in-law for the building of Valhalla by the giants.


55 posted on 05/21/2013 3:28:07 PM PDT by jammer
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To: RedMonqey

Thanks. I shall. My only DVD of the Ring is the older Levine-Jerusalem-Behrens version, which I like a lot, but I am told that the newer one is magnificent.


56 posted on 05/21/2013 3:29:59 PM PDT by jammer
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To: IronJack

Yep. I am laughing. Also coming back now. Relearning the Appassionata, which I haven’t played for years.


57 posted on 05/21/2013 3:31:17 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Arkansas Toothpick; Pharmboy
I strongly recommend this recording.........if you can find a copy.
58 posted on 05/21/2013 3:50:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: IronJack; RedMonqey
I recommend this recording...
59 posted on 05/21/2013 3:53:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Mike Darancette
"I do love me some Tannhäuser. "

+1

60 posted on 05/21/2013 4:01:37 PM PDT by OKSooner
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