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Structure is Destiny

Posted on 06/07/2013 8:39:41 AM PDT by Jacquerie

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Good people cannot prosper under poorly structured government.
1 posted on 06/07/2013 8:39:41 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: 1010RD; Kenny Bunk; Bratch; 5thGenTexan; Greysard; lone star annie; boxlunch; OneWingedShark; ...

17th Amendment ping!


2 posted on 06/07/2013 8:40:21 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

Thanks!


3 posted on 06/07/2013 9:07:19 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie
Good people cannot prosper under poorly structured government.

Is that why I feel less and less functional/competent every year?

4 posted on 06/07/2013 9:08:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jacquerie; BillyBoy; Impy
"The 17th must go."

Such an excellent post until you came to that absurd and tried-and-failed conclusion.

5 posted on 06/07/2013 11:04:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

Does this person make anti-17th vanities on a weekly basis? Jeez.

Thinking it’s a good idea is one thing but pimping it this hard? I just don’t get it.


6 posted on 06/07/2013 11:16:41 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy
Seems like. An action like this that would permanently lock 40 Senate seats out of reach of electing Republicans is rank insanity. It is the purest example of disenfranchisement, especially of responsible voters.
7 posted on 06/07/2013 11:36:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy

Hello boys.


8 posted on 06/07/2013 11:59:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

What have Republicans recently done for our republic? Where is your nonsense about corrupt state assemblymen?


9 posted on 06/07/2013 12:02:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Impy

Yeah, this person knows the Framers got it right.


10 posted on 06/07/2013 12:03:51 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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With passage of the 17th, I question the need to even have a senate.
This is a serious question that I’m asking.
What is the purpose of the senate, now?


11 posted on 06/07/2013 12:12:46 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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What is the purpose of the senate, now?

Mark Levin recently asked the same question. He didn't know. Maybe tweedledee or tweedledummer have the answer.

12 posted on 06/07/2013 12:19:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

Good afternoon, Jacqx.


13 posted on 06/07/2013 12:29:45 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Jacquerie

What have Democrats done for our republic ? Better, yet... why do you want to permanently gift them 40 or more seats ?


14 posted on 06/07/2013 12:31:33 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Jacquerie

Given that they didn’t live 100 years to see what the body became, that’s a conclusion you can’t make. Fortunately, that’s why the framers gave us amendments to change what WASN’T working.


15 posted on 06/07/2013 12:33:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Repeal The 17th

That’s a disingenuous and stupid question.


16 posted on 06/07/2013 12:36:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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That was a cogent statement.

I have posted about eight vanities that looked at why the framers divided power between the states and feds, what federalists and anti-federalists had to say about government, and the ramifications of the 17th. I won't repeat any of it.

Tell me how the 17th better secured our liberty.

17 posted on 06/07/2013 12:42:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
That’s a disingenuous and stupid question.

What is stupid about asking the purpose of the Senate? The 17th made it a redundant, popularly derived institution, but of a dangerous six year term for members rather than two. A political Frankenstein.

18 posted on 06/07/2013 12:48:16 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie; Impy; BillyBoy

Eight vanities ? It seems like you and your crew trot this non-starter out at least weekly. We’ve debated this subject endlessly. Personally, I wish the Senate could function exactly as the framers envisioned (and as you do), but in practice, it didn’t work that way. They didn’t jealously protect the 10th amendment as they should’ve, and descended into a corrupt and unaccountable institution. Repealing the 17th won’t magically restore that body into something it never really was.


19 posted on 06/07/2013 12:56:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“...That’s a disingenuous and stupid question...”
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The question was neither disingenuous nor stupid.
Have you no answer?


20 posted on 06/07/2013 1:01:45 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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