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To: lowbridge

I do not think it was the decisive battle although certainly a bitter defeat for the greatest of armies. I always felt the decisive battle was the Wildnerness in ‘64 when although soundly beaten, Grant didn’t go back towards DC but instead went around the left flank and even deeper into Virginia where the battle of attrition and losses, the southener’s couldn’t make good on, began to pile up.


4 posted on 06/10/2013 3:19:56 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: major-pelham

Vicksburg was much more decisive.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 3:34:19 PM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: major-pelham

I tend to agree with you, except that Grant was not “soundly beaten” at the Wilderness. It was a tactical draw, but a strategic Union victroy, since the South could not afford to fight draws. Grant however claimed Vicksburg was more important strategically even than Gettysburg.

I loved reading both Grant and Longsteet’s memoirs. They were, IMHO, the first “modern” generals who understood the implcations of the new technology on warfare. Longstreet was sadly underappreciated and vilified by many in the South.


8 posted on 06/10/2013 3:37:13 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: major-pelham
The South had the upper hand and the momentum up until this point. They were fighting in Northern territory!

Interesting: the siege of Vicksburg was happening about this same time.

9 posted on 06/10/2013 3:37:46 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: major-pelham

“I always felt the decisive battle was the Wildnerness in ‘64 when although soundly beaten, Grant didn’t go back towards DC but instead went around the left flank and even deeper into Virginia where the battle of attrition and losses, the southener’s couldn’t make good on, began to pile up.”

Both battles were pivotal, but The Wilderness battle, I think, was the most decisive, because when Grant did not turn tail the South was forced to admit it could not win the War. At least after Gettysburg the South reasoned, “Well, we got thumped in enemy territory, but we still have our own, and we can beat the enemy there.” However, after The Wilderness, the South had to see the writing on the wall: “We have stopped them on our own soil, but they do not leave. And there are more of them than there are of us.”


14 posted on 06/10/2013 5:05:33 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: major-pelham

It was a defeat for the second greatest army.

The greatest was the one who defeated them.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 5:25:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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