Posted on 07/01/2013 3:45:59 AM PDT by MCF
Edited on 07/02/2013 5:15:38 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
What Ole Abe wanted to do(had he lived) was to ship ALL of the Freed Slaves back to Africa. Ols Abe wasn’t NEAR the “friend” of slaves as Revisionist Historians have painted him out to be.
I intentionally moved out of an urban district so that I would not have to worry about teaching in an environment like this.
Let me ask the same question I asked another thread member. Do the parents bear any responsibility to teach civility and decorum?
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That was a great post. Thank you.
Assimilation only works where there is a majority white school system and the blacks have to fit into the white norms. How many blacks do you need for them to gang up and start acting the way they do in this essay? Probably not too many.
There is also a moral question: even a small number of blacks in a school who are there to "assimiliate" are there to take (socialization) from whites, and presumably slowing down the rate that whites would learn at if they weren't paying a "tax" in accomodating blacks.
Is it really moral to give some kids a lesser education so that others (the less teachable) get a better one? The black kids are getting extra resources, the whites extra burdens. At some point this becomes manifestly unfair.
I've encountered EXCELLENT all-black classrooms and programs. Again, the problems start emerging when the students aren't held to the strictest standards of behavior and accomplishment, no excuses, no warnings, no second chances.
“It sounds a lot like prison.”
Zoo-prison-circus was how my son described his high school before I transferred him to an online program.
Many schools in the Los Angeles area look like prisons.
Ah, the all inclusive "they" again. Like I said in my first response, moronic, stereotypical tripe (I added "moronic" for your benefit).
If by coasted on the affluence won by the greatest generation you mean got drafted, served my country honorably and after my discharge from the Army came home and got up every morning for over 40 years to go to the same job while my wife and I raised 3 kids .... then, yeah, I coasted.
I don't have any more time to waste on whiney assclowns like you who think that boomers are responsible for all of the shortcomings in their own miserable lives.
Granted, every generation has its share of idiots, mine included. If the best you've got is to bitch and moan about how "we" screwed you ... count yourself in the idiot class of whatever your generation is.
Me ... because my parents taught me the value of perseverance and I took it to heart ... I'll be leaving behind 3 more responsible adults who are doing just fine in the "miserable" world I left to them ... what value have you added?
thanks for posting this. Years ago a parent on one of my childrens soccer team would tell me stories about how burnt out she was from trying to teach in Washington DC. This woman was black and very middle class... I was still a liberal and couldn’t understand why she was so negative about these children. I definitely judged her, and thought how sad she was pouring all this negativity on these poor forsaken kids... her stories mirrored this one on Craigs list.
I agree with you, but people shriek in horror when I say it. I don’t think it will ever happen.
Used to be in England, (maybe it still is this way,) you could leave school legally at age 14-1/2 if you had an apprenticeship. To me that makes sense. Bring back apprenticeships and trade schools. Not everybody’s meant to take up space in a classroom until age 17 or 18, keeping others from learning.
bfl. Interesting perspective. From a quick glance (will read later when I have time), the question comes to mind, “why don’t you go teach somewhere else that is not such a beat-down?”
Indeed, it’s almost 100% on the parents and their culture.
And I don’t want MY kids around THEIR kids unless they train them right, and they won’t and can’t.
So then why are you blaming the schools for this poor behavior when you say: We already know that public schools are detrimental to the health, morals, and liberty of humanity,?
How can the schools be expected to do the job of the parents and at the same time provide a quality education?
Please keep in mind I have my students for 90 minutes a day 5 days a week in an average size class of 15 students. Parents have them (not counting sleeping time) 5-6 hours a day 7 days a week.
Who has a better chance and more opportunity to teach them civility and decorum?
I will tell you straight out that having met some (not all) the answer would be me, but that does not abrogate them of the responsibility.
Let me ask the same question I asked another thread member. Do the parents bear any responsibility to teach civility and decorum?
Well, you did not answer my question, but I will answer yours. Yes, the parents bear the majority of the responsibility of making sure their children are ready for school, including teaching them civility and decorum. The breakdown is the culture, which they bring with them to school, and which the authorities apparently want all children exposed to by making sure our schools are "diverse."
I tutor and substitute in the public schools in FL. It affirms our decision to homeschool every day. I would still like to know the answer to my original question: If you were in a school district like the one described in the article, and for whatever reason had to stay there - you could not move to a better district, would you homeschool your child to get him or her out of that environment?
I grew up in NYC in the 60’s. One day it was white, the nex day it wasn’t. It was highly charged where I grew up. A close friend of mine was in the school yard talking with a black girl, a minute later he was covered in blood from the pen her friend shoved in his ear.
For about three years it got progressively worse. Then the Russians moved into the area and all of a sudden there were no more blacks or Puerto Ricans..
We’re talking past each other - I’m not expecting the schools to do the parents’ job. Got it? I never said such a thing that you keep saying I’m saying.
What I do know is that the parents aren’t and won’t do the job, and I’m not putting MY kids with THOSE kids.
Public schools are where the parents who don’t care send their untrained children.
I am sorry your question is a complete non sequitor. Any parent that says they can't move out of a bad district isn't trying. A good parent will do what ever it takes, if that means homeschooling until you can move to a better district, or enrolling them in a parochial/ Christian school then that is what you do.
Several years ago my wife and I were in the process of adopting three siblings. We lived in a rural district with a very good system, but we were considering homeschooling because the principal of the high school was a complete A-Hole.
Are you saying lousy parents that just don't give a d@mn about the kids, or are you including parents that circumstances prevent them from homeschooling or affording a private school?
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