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To: JustTheTruth
If necessary to prop up deflating bank asset values, central banks will print endless supplies of paper money whereas gold, silver, diamonds and other hard assets will remain scarce and tend to far out-value what streams from the printing presses over time.

Central banks do not print money. They issue currency as a liability against assets of Treasury securities that they obtain from primary dealers. There is no "new" money created in this transaction.

New money is created any time a promissory note is signed. Shrinking debt and bankruptcy cause a decrease in the money supply - since all money is debt based.

People still think of precious metals the same as when money was not debt based - prior to 1600 in Europe.

There is nothing wrong with "fiat" currency - as long as the currency represents labor that has already been completed...instead of a claim on the future labor of others.

28 posted on 07/19/2013 10:44:50 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: politicket
Is that you Ben? lol

Central banks do not print money. They issue currency as a liability against assets of Treasury securities that they obtain from primary dealers. There is no "new" money created in this transaction.

This is partially true. Instead of printing "money", numbers are keyed into a computer that sends an encrypted data stream connected to another computer at a bank someplace, allowing that computer's accounting program to adjust the balance of available funds on hand for issue.

What are the assets these funds were issued against? Worthless government securities, themselves issued against previously issued worthless government securities never be repaid?

Just one example:

" During a 2½ year period starting at the end of 2007, the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in secret bailouts to banks and other companies around the world, according to a government audit of some of the U.S. central bank’s operations.

Fed Audit: Trillions For Foreign Banks, Conflicts of Interest

Others:
Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Secret Loans
Government Says No to Helping States and Main Street, While Continuing to Throw Trillions at the Giant Banks

You write: "There is nothing wrong with "fiat" currency - as long as the currency represents labor that has already been completed...instead of a claim on the future labor of others."

Do the loans the Fed has made above meet that criteria? Has there ever been a fiat currency in the history of mankind that did not eventually become worthless? Look at this chart below of how much the dollar has depreciated since the Fed was formed at a secret meeting on Jekyll Island.

Do you really want to put ALL of your eggs in a basket guarded by these guys below? Speaking of that "basket", it's one so messed up, or messed with, it has NEVER allowed outside auditors to examine it.

Just sayin'...

30 posted on 07/20/2013 7:07:09 AM PDT by Errant
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To: politicket

You are talking in circles. Central Banks DO create money. Not worth arguing that.


45 posted on 07/20/2013 9:40:56 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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