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To: oldenuff2no
Your assertion was stupid,
but you are apparently not oldenuff2nobetter.

For the sake of clarity and full disclosure let's point out,

...that you have never attempted to train a "pit bull", in other words your actual experience with the dogs is nil
...all your assertions about "pit bull" behavior are nothing but descriptions of any terrier type behavior
...you are paid to give negative testimony in court,
...your financial motivation disqualifies you as a disinterested and objective commentator
...you have no qualms pointing to a proven repository of lies, that is dogsbite.org, to bolster your own lies.

I have no desire to argue 'truth and facts' with you,
you are a stranger to both and my time is too precious to waste arguing with a closed minded fanatic
making money and a name for himself off the pain of dog bite victims
without offering any solutions to lessening or eliminating dog attacks
other than the demonization and extermination of his cash cow.

449 posted on 08/09/2013 3:31:42 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa

For the sake of clarity and full disclosure let’s point out,

...that you have never attempted to train a “pit bull”, in other words your actual experience with the dogs is nil
...all your assertions about “pit bull” behavior are nothing but descriptions of any terrier type behavior
...you are paid to give negative testimony in court,
...your financial motivation disqualifies you as a disinterested and objective commentator
...you have no qualms pointing to a proven repository of lies, that is dogsbite.org, to bolster your own lies.
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It wouldn’t matter if he ever attempted to train a pit bull because that would be anecdotal information on one dog. Researching the breed first, reading the accounts of others, looking at the death and maul statistics would all give a broader, more accurate view of the breed. Based on research or common sense, if he realizes the behavior of the breed and therefore chooses not to own or train one: this is not a strike against him or his credibility

Does terrier type behavior include leading the nation in human fatalities? No. Not all terrier type dogs have pit bull behavior. Pit bulls lead the body count - the next in line is Rotties as far as stats go and these days, not other terriers.

Expert witnesses are routinely paid to give testimony in court; this information becomes part of the court record. Experts have to earn a living and are unable to volunteer their time to the numerous court cases involving pit bulls (and other trials). Doctors, lawyers, psychologists etc. all get paid because they don’t have the time to volunteer. The court decides whether to view the testimony of an expert witness as disinterested and objective commentator.

You say that dogsbite.org is a proven repository of lies but I have asked pro pitters to provide evidence that the people documented as killed or maimed were not actually killed or maimed. (I was just reviewing the 2013 gallery of dogbite victims and they include one German Shepard and one Rottie.)No one has ever provided evidence that the documented deaths/maimings are false. They’d have to disprove quite alot of documented killings/maimings by pits before the damage done by pits even drew even with the damage done by Rotties which are much larger.

Those documented deaths, the harrowing medical accounts of maimed children with faces, limbs, muscle groups missing following dog attacks etc. - there is no way to refute them with evidence. All those newspaper accounts and photographs and videos and witnesses who try beating the dog to make it let go. All the owners and family members who spoke of their beloved pets, how they raised them from puppyhood and treated them like family membmers. Too late dude. Evidence doesn’t exist to support your assertions.

It never was a mass conspiracy - it’s a society trying to cope with the inclusion of animals bred to kill among people used to dealing with domesticated dogs (bite and release, not the classic shark attack common to pits). Read the 2013 roster of pit bull fatal attacks and count how many people were walking on the street, playing in their yard, visiting a friend, standing in a driveway etc. Prove these attacks didn’t happen where they happened? No, you can’t.


456 posted on 08/09/2013 1:22:19 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: kanawa
I have no desire to argue ‘truth and facts’ with you,

You can not and will not argue truth and facts because they are not on your side of the discussion. In other words your argument totally fails when provable truth and facts are in focus.

I have three decades of Professionally handling and training attack dogs, bomb dogs (IED dogs) tracking dogs and dope dogs. If your professional experience stacks up against that let us all know your level of expertise.
You are great at personalizing attacks and calling people names but that does not inform us about your knowledge of truth and facts when it comes to K-9 on people attacks or K-9 homicides.

470 posted on 08/13/2013 12:05:33 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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