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To: rusty schucklefurd
Who should do the investigating? The police? So, every time an altercation at a school happens we have to have an outside body investigate?

Well lemme ask ya rusty, if your reputation, your career, and or school record and or your criminal record were on the line, would ya want some wannabe biased kiddy principal playing investigator?

Principals are required to be the initial investigators of all disciplinary issues on campus whether involving students or faculty or both.

You mean like when cops investigate other cops? Ya see a conflict here rusty?

Feel free to answer these questions:

Who trains the kiddy's principal to perform legitimate *unbaised* investigations and conduct face to face investigative interviews regarding incidents involving potential civil and or criminal issues?

Should investigations that affect individuals school records, police records, and or their employment be left to someone who is clearly biased, who personally knows those involved?

Is this not a glaring obvious conflict of interest rusty?

There is a big difference between reporting an event or incident and conducting a legitimate unbiased formal investigation. No?

Should employees within these government schools, the IRS, police departments, or any government offices for that matter, be allowed to conduct formal investigations? What about the punishment they themselves enact or fail to enact? Would this be considered unbiased, credible and legitimate?

After their investigation, would the punishment they decide or fail to implement not been considered biased or in conflict?

Do you not see a huge conflict of interest here?

School districts and their corrupt government unions waste billions of dollars every year and most produce uneducated students...Should those responsible for this also be allowed to conduct their own internal investigations?

In my eyes, govenrment school principals or any government entity conducting their own formal internal investigations should set off alarms and be enough to make most recoil.

46 posted on 09/08/2013 8:03:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

re: “Well lemme ask ya rusty, if your reputation, your career, and or school record and or your criminal record were on the line, would ya want some wannabe biased kiddy principal playing investigator?. . .You mean like when cops investigate other cops? Ya see a conflict here rusty?. . . Feel free to answer these questions:. . . Who trains the kiddy’s principal to perform legitimate *unbaised* investigations and conduct face to face investigative interviews regarding incidents involving potential civil and or criminal issues? . . . Should investigations that affect individuals school records, police records, and or their employment be left to someone who is clearly biased, who personally knows those involved? . . . Is this not a glaring obvious conflict of interest rusty? . . . There is a big difference between reporting an event or incident and conducting a legitimate unbiased formal investigation. No?”

Ok, dragnet2, I’ve answered all the above questions twice now.

PRINCIPALS DO NOT CONDUCT FORMAL INVESTIGATIONS!!! They conduct initial investigations with all parties involved. That’s their job!! That’s the job of ANY department or division head of a private company or government entity.

If, after an initial interview/investigation (whatever you want to call it), IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT question or evidence that the incident falls within a criminal catagory - THEN YES, YES, YES - the police are brought in to do a formal investigation.

If, after an initial interview/investigation a school event falls within the ordinary sphere of school discipline (chewing gum, talking back, general misbehavior, etc.), the school/parents/students are all involved to fix the problem.

With school personnel, if a teacher is accused of something that rises to the level of the criminal - THEN YES, YES, YES, the police are brought in. The teacher has the right to bring a lawyer, the principal has a right to give what information he/she knows - and, yes, the principal potentially has a lot of power over the teacher and their career.

Parents and teachers can call for outside investigations/lawyers to support their side of any story or event.

Can a principal’s initial interview/investigation be a conflict of interest? Of course! But, whether it is or not, the principal is required to make initial inquiries - why?? Because the principal is the responsible party for what happens on their campus - they are held liable by the public and the state for what happens on their campus.

So feel free to answer me, drag, if you were a dept. head, or a principal, and YOU are held liable for what occurs on the job - wouldn’t YOU want to have the right to interview those involved???

If a principal makes an initial investigation into some school incident, and does nothing, or tries to sweep it under the rug, the parents, the teacher, the students have every right and opportunity to go public, to bring in lawyers, to call the cops themselves.

But, as I’ve said at least ten times already - the principal MUST make an initial interview/investigation of all school incidents - unless of course we are talking about a Sandy Hook incident of a gunman killing kids on campus - but, even there - the principal is going to be on the hot seat for why it occurred.

This is not rocket science, drag.


47 posted on 09/08/2013 1:54:06 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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