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Police can take injured animals to their shooting range to be destroyed
Examiner.com ^ | September 13, 2013 | Penny Eims

Posted on 09/17/2013 5:20:11 AM PDT by Altariel

In Merced, Calif., it is perfectly legal for a police officer to take a critically wounded animal to the police shooting range in order to "humanely destroy" it, reported Wednesday's Merced Sun-Star.

Thanks to a decades old penal code, it is legal for officers to transport wounded animals for "humane" disposal at their shooting range.

Many animal lovers who are just learning about this practice are shocked that a police officer would transport a wounded animal to their shooting range, rather than to a veterinary clinic, for humane euthanasia or treatment.

According to Merced Police Chief Norm Andrade, the practice of transporting animals to the Gove Road shooting range is "rare," and the officers dread having to do it.

One Merced resident, 21-year-old Kathleen Emerson, heard about the shootings firsthand from city police officer.

She recounted the conversation to the Merced Sun-Star:

The police officer said, ‘We get calls about dogs that are hit (by vehicles) and still alive, and if they don’t have a tag, we take them out to the range and shoot them,

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: california; dog; merced; warriorcops
If the dogs truly are critically injured, prolonging their suffering by driving them to a gun range is cruel.

If the dogs are not critically injured, but their wounds are treatable, then they are deliberately killing wounded, non-dangerous animals for sport.

When will they start rounding up "undesirable" humans (conservatives, Christians) for the same practice?

1 posted on 09/17/2013 5:20:11 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Joe 6-pack; Salamander

Very sad ping about doggies (not calling this an official doggie ping).

(Joe, this one may be too sad for the list; you decide).


2 posted on 09/17/2013 5:21:41 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
This will give Holder and Obama ideas.


3 posted on 09/17/2013 5:22:53 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Altariel

live dogs for target practice?

sadistic much?


4 posted on 09/17/2013 5:23:57 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: Altariel
Sweet.
Jeff Dahmer and other serial killers got their start inhumanely killing animals too.
5 posted on 09/17/2013 5:33:00 AM PDT by Amagi (God Save the Republic.)
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To: Altariel

Hmmm....

Stray animal hit by car. NO TAGS. Who pays for treatment? Vet ERs are not charities, even a euthanasia is around $500.

...but their wounds are treatable...again how treatable if no one will pay for the vet?

...how many animals and are you willing to pay taxes to change this practice?


6 posted on 09/17/2013 5:33:21 AM PDT by EBH (I am a Tea Party Patriot from the founding of the Nation (1719).)
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To: EBH

I find your attempt to justify transporting a suffering animal to a range for an officer’s sport, rather than a humane dispatch at the spot, reprehensible.


7 posted on 09/17/2013 5:39:23 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

The Palestinian animals have been using this method to ‘train’ their children to slaughter Jews ... kids kill a puppy and learn how to be cold blooded. Are we surprised the same goal is now part of ‘police’ training methodology rising in popularity?


8 posted on 09/17/2013 5:43:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Altariel

Good, I’m glad because your first post sounded like you were advocating treatment by a vet. And I was quite curious how far you would hold that stance if you had to pay taxes to cover vet treatments for stray animals.

I do agree dispatch on the spot is appropriate and shooting them for sport is not.


9 posted on 09/17/2013 5:45:05 AM PDT by EBH (I am a Tea Party Patriot from the founding of the Nation (1719).)
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To: EBH

Treatment by a vet is an appropriate alternative; I regret that you fail to conceive that there are groups and charities unwilling to donate toward such a cause.

Remember: there are people who will one day make your same argument about the financial considerations of treating a sick “undesirable” child, senior citizens or adult before advocating sending them out to the firing range.


10 posted on 09/17/2013 6:02:54 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
Bullets are less expensive than veterinarians.
11 posted on 09/17/2013 6:06:13 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: silverleaf

I would guess this is some asinine policy derived to prevent them from dispatching a dog in a neighborhood and becoming the target of those who would cry that they “killed it in front of the children” or some other BS complaint.


12 posted on 09/17/2013 6:06:15 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Altariel

What part of the article makes you believe they’re doing this for fun?


13 posted on 09/17/2013 6:17:37 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Diogenesis

Really. Expect this to be merged with ObamaCare eventually.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 6:29:06 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Altariel
The argument that it costs too much to provide treatment to a tagless dog with a broken leg is utterly hilarious.

The government can't give our money away fast enough, yet "it costs too much" is always the excuse they whip out when asked to do something they'd rather not do.

15 posted on 09/17/2013 6:33:39 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Altariel

If the people there were really outraged they’d spend the money to put the animals down with drugs instead of bullets. I see a sense of false outrage because if it really bothered them the practice would have been halted years ago. OTOH a bullet to the brain by a good shooter is more humane and faster than lethal drugs and the animal doesn’t have to be restrained and go through the anxiety of being stuck with needles prior to death. Another factor, the average salary of a licensed veterinarian in California is almost twice that of one in the SE, especially Mississippi.


16 posted on 09/17/2013 6:42:03 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: EBH

So why doesn’t animal control come out and do a lethal injection?

Or why don’t the police put the animal down right there? Our local cops shoot deer to put them out of their misery. If they’re worried about ricochets, issue them captive bolt guns.

What a waste of time and taxpayer money not to mention cruelty to the animal - load the animal, take it to the range, kill it, move it off the range for disposal, clean out car - shift’s almost over, and he still hasn’t had break yet...


17 posted on 09/17/2013 6:47:31 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Altariel

Paper targets are apparently not realistic enough.

18 posted on 09/17/2013 6:47:46 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Altariel

1. I didn’t see anywhere in the article where the officers used the dogs for target practice or ‘sport’.
2. Cops can’t be popping off their guns in public areas. You don’t fire a gun around people. The dog must be moved.
3. If they were putting the dogs down on the spot, people would be screaming that their kids saw. (There was actually a story posted here about an officer shooting feral cats last month.)
4. Cost is a huge factor. HOWEVER, I don’t understand why the animal can’t be transported to the pound and put down humanely if the public doesn’t want to pay for a stray animal’s treatment.


19 posted on 09/17/2013 6:52:17 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Altariel
I regret that you fail to conceive that there are groups and charities unwilling to donate toward such a cause.

On the contrary, I do conceive of that as I drove nearly 10 hours in a snowstorm to rescue & foster an animal who was slated for death. It has been over 9 months since that time and no one even wants to adopt the animal.

I was recently (Saturday) at an event and a rescue was desperately trying to raise $10,000 dollars to cover needed surgeries for a few of their animals. They raised $600.

You may not like this policy by this particular city, but you also miss the reality of the desperate needs of those groups & charities you so quickly shoved in my face. I've seen animals like these taken in by well meaning charities and the animal languish for weeks or months waiting for the money to be raised for them to have surgery. To me, this is cruelty as well and in some cases I will dare say it is neglectful for a rescue to take in an animal they cannot secure treatment for.

In fact, I just had another case pop up on my facebook page today.

Dakota's Emergency Cystotomy Surgery Yes, you read her story correctly. The rescue was arranged through "rescue friends," but none of which are willing to step up to the plate for fund the needed surgery.

I'd love to see them all saved, but the hard cold truth is that is a fantasy. Some will slip away. You may not like what I have to say, but decisions like these are made everyday across the country. Charities and groups will only and can only do so much and that well is often dry these days.

20 posted on 09/17/2013 7:01:37 AM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

” even a euthanasia is around $500.” Less than half that around here. What does it cost to have a paid officer “out of service” for that period of time? Not just dollars, but not serving and protecting during that time.

The municipality should pay the vet bill under predetermined contract. Also, are police officers also trained as vets?


21 posted on 09/17/2013 7:01:57 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: heartwood

See post #9, thank you.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 7:04:48 AM PDT by EBH
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To: faucetman
The municipality should pay the vet bill under predetermined contract.

Vet care through your tax dollars? Ok...how much should the levy be?

23 posted on 09/17/2013 7:06:21 AM PDT by EBH
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To: Altariel

There are some serious issues here.

First of all, euthanizing animals is extremely stressful, which is why some animal shelters offer very substantial pay for those who do this, but still have a very hard time retaining such people, who often have nervous breakdowns within two weeks.

Second, police work is already stressful, so they should be the last people asked to euthanize animals, except in an emergency.

Third, the unofficial policy of police officers killing dogs to establish dominance and control of a situation, is already out of hand.

Fourth, there is a risk that those officers who euthanize animals may become desensitized about killing. And while this is least likely, it should not be dismissed as a possibility.


24 posted on 09/17/2013 7:15:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Hmm. I’m a nurse, and I don’t think I’d have any problem giving a seriously injured, ownerless animal a lethal injection. It would make me sad for a little while but not stressed.

I have no idea how pounds put down unadoptable or very sick or injured animals though.

My dumb dog has been known to shuck her collar and get away for a little while, so it could be my dog we’re talking about here - anyone’s pet who lost a collar - one reason animal control should deal with the animal - they can read the microchip if the dog has one.


25 posted on 09/17/2013 7:49:18 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Diogenesis

“To Serve Crackers”??

LOL


26 posted on 09/17/2013 7:56:43 AM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Altariel
Penny is a great writer but things about the article have gotten out of hand.

The law is for LEOs to take mortally injured wildlife like deer and feral pigs and put them down. In addition one of our volunteers contacted the Merced PD and spoke to a police lt. He responded that they do not take injured pets to the range.

27 posted on 09/17/2013 7:57:51 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: reg45

And that pretty much sums up the sentiment behind Obamacare.

Thanks.


28 posted on 09/17/2013 7:58:32 AM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: chrisinoc

“Merced PD and spoke to a police”

And you really believe them?

The PPMs I rescued came from the Merced shelter.

Their kill rate is so high that an IHCUS member drove 8 hours on her own dime to spring them.

They KNOW the Portuguese huntrs are dumping the dogs after hours but refuse to even install a hidden camera on their property for fear that would “discourage” the dumping.

They could stop them for good but choose not to.

Merced is apparently one messed up place.


29 posted on 09/17/2013 8:05:06 AM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Altariel

Is there anyone who reads this site regularly who is surprised at all by this?


30 posted on 09/17/2013 8:08:47 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Altariel

***for humane euthanasia or treatment.***

Years ago, I watched a vet put down a horse with a needle. Someone asked why he did not just shoot it and he said..”Never shoot a horse. Always use a needle because it looks better”.


31 posted on 09/17/2013 8:34:43 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: heartwood

“...I don’t think I’d have any problem giving a seriously injured, ownerless animal a lethal injection.”

That’s the problem, though. It’s not just one, but animal after animal. The people who are paid to use heart needles at animal shelters often end up psychological basket cases, with severe PTSD.


32 posted on 09/17/2013 8:41:50 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I know it would bother me to put healthy animals down. My shelter dog is sleeping next to me on the couch now - a perfectly adoptable dog except she’s black. I didn’t even know about “black dog syndrome” when we got her. But killing a good healthy dog just because no one has taken her in three months? That would be very disturbing.

Pay me to euthanize a very sick or injured dog? No problem - and in my area it wouldn’t be animal after animal, we just don’t get that many hurt dogs - I’ve served on the board of health which supervises the shelter. After some of the things I’ve seen happen to people, dogs wouldn’t be a problem.


33 posted on 09/17/2013 8:55:00 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: EBH

Ditto that. But in CA, they will probably declare vet care a right and force vets to treat wounded animals and the gov’t will pay them a minimal fee via taxpayers.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 9:21:28 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: silverleaf

The “Government” says that it legal to kill innocent babies so why is anyone surprised about injured animals?

Obamacare will have death panels deciding who will live and who will die and some people don’t care.


35 posted on 09/17/2013 10:28:30 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Altariel
"Treatment by a vet is an appropriate alternative"

Sorry, but I'd say merciful dispatch on the spot is still a better option. I've had dogs, I know how people feel about their dogs, how dogs can touch a special place in your heart.

But logically, its just not worth it to go through that much trouble to save a stray. There are millions of stray dogs out there, and its just not feasible to make any trouble over the issue.

36 posted on 09/17/2013 4:33:30 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: chrisinoc

If wildlife is mortally injured, it is inhumane to drive said wildlife to another location for the purpose of dispatching of it.

Either the wildlife is *not* mortally injured, as claimed, or police officers are being trained to become indifferent to the suffering of “mere” beasts by taking mortally wounded animals to a firing range.


37 posted on 09/17/2013 8:09:02 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Salamander

Yep.

Indeed.

And some people here will be crying out “why weren’t we warned? Why didn’t anyone stop it?”

It would seem history is about to repeat itself, yet again.


38 posted on 09/17/2013 8:12:07 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Thank you for confirming your willingness to dispatch an animal with a *non-mortal* wound.

I’m sure there are plenty of Obamacare enthusiasts who will be equally eager to get rid of wounded/sick “undesirables” who, would proper treatment, also would live.

We have to keep healthcare expenses down, you know.


39 posted on 09/17/2013 8:13:35 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; Salamander

Well said.

I firmly believe God never desired mentally healthy individuals to euthanize animals while feeling either satisfaction or indifference.


40 posted on 09/17/2013 8:18:59 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

The Michael Vick Gun Range in Merced, CA. Sorry to hear this is “okay” anywhere.


41 posted on 09/17/2013 8:19:21 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Salamander
They KNOW the Portuguese huntrs are dumping the dogs after hours but refuse to even install a hidden camera on their property for fear that would “discourage” the dumping.

Ok I am confused. Why would hunters dump their dogs? Trained hunting dogs are expensive.

42 posted on 09/17/2013 8:21:03 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Altariel

There are some twists and turns to this.

Traditionally, psychopaths were seen as people who were born with their brains wired to lack empathy; sociopaths being those with normal brains who were trained at a young age to lack empathy.

Psychopaths are, however, a large gray scale.

All people must have at least some ability to disregard empathy to function.

Those with too much empathy tend to imagine sensations in others that do not exist; also to anthropomorphize human feelings in lesser life forms and inanimate objects: such people can be dangerous.

The large, moderate range of the scale is normal. People can empathize to some degree for some length of time, and then have “empathy fatigue”, where they can no longer muster the energy to care.

Those with some degree of psychopathy tend to be liked because they are seen as more objective. Those who are strongly psychopathic without being antisocial are often seen as good leaders. They are also effective in jobs that require discomfort to get a better result, such as medical surgery.

Then finally is the extreme scale of psychopath, about 5% of all people. Even here, most are not criminal, having learned how other rationales to not harm others, and rules of behavior among others. But they are incapable of caring at all, and have no empathy to even extreme suffering in others.

Sociopaths have their own rules, and while they almost have to be trained at a young age, they can only be retrained to not be sociopaths when they are still young. If they reach maturity as sociopaths, they will likely remain sociopaths.


43 posted on 09/18/2013 6:29:24 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: EBH

$500? Your vet is a worthless vulture, preying on the hearts of those trying to give their pets the final kindness.


44 posted on 09/18/2013 6:53:35 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Altariel
Yes, if an animal is injured enough to warrant medical care, which no one can foot the bill for, then the simplest thing is to mercifully dispatch it. Unless you want another government program to patch up every injured stray they find, at our expense. You sound like you'd be happy with government funded universal veterinary care.

As for the rest of your argument, its apples and oranges. Animals are not people, and euthanizing stray animals cannot be compared in any way to the government forcibly euthanizing human beings.

45 posted on 09/19/2013 5:06:45 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: reg45; Altariel; EBH
30 years ago a feral cat gave birth to kittens behind a cabinet on my porch. I thought it was my responsibility to take them somewhere, and the closest place was a no kill clinic, but they wouldn't take them because they tested positive for some disease.

They told me to take them to the city pound where they would kill them, which I did.

They had a vacuum chamber about the size of a kitchen range, large enough to accommodate a big dog, and it had a glass door, so you could watch. He flipped the switch and they crumpled up into little balls in 2-3 seconds. No charge.

46 posted on 09/19/2013 1:17:25 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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