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VANITY: Dental Information Form is a DEA form?

Posted on 09/19/2013 5:32:18 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear

I was recently asked by my dentist to fill out an on-line patient history so they could go paperless.

After spending a bunch of time filling out a bunch of very detailed information I get to the last page and read this:

WARNING: 21 USC 843(d), states that any person knowingly or intentionally furnishes false or fraudulent information in the application is subject to term of inprisonment of not more than 4 years, and a fine under Title 18 of not more than $250,000 , or both.

By typing my full name in the space below, I hereby certify that the foregoing information furnished on these application/DEA forms pages is true and correct and understand that this constitutes an electronic signature for purposes of these applications/DEA forms only.

Does the DEA now have access to our medical records? I know the NSA pretty much has access to anything, but this is kind of creepy.

Anyone else experience anything similar?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: dea; dentalform; dentist; medicalform; medicalinfo; medicalrecords; paranoia
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Is the DEA using our medical histories to expand the War on Drugs?
1 posted on 09/19/2013 5:32:18 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Always has.


2 posted on 09/19/2013 5:36:20 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I’m very sensitive about such forms. I give a false ssn to doctors every time they ask. I’ve also lied big time on forms like the one you were filling out unless they have a statement like that. Then I keep it and tell the doctor that the information is “need to know” type stuff and I won’t furnish it. I’ll change doctors/dentists over that stuff.


3 posted on 09/19/2013 5:36:33 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Dentists are targets for drug addicts on pain killers.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 5:37:22 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/pract/section5.htm

Guess it makes sense (not that anyone likes it) to have patient info on file to cross reference to prescriptions of, let’s say, oxy’s and other pain meds- etc.


5 posted on 09/19/2013 5:40:26 PM PDT by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: SargeK

When exactly did our government stop honoring and obeying our Constitution? Or should I not ask questions that have answers that will certainly depress me?


6 posted on 09/19/2013 5:41:09 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: cuban leaf
I cancelled the form without signing it. I'm going to bring it up with my dentist the next time I'm in.

Or I might just keep "forgetting" to fill it out.

7 posted on 09/19/2013 5:42:05 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: libertarian27

Thanks for the link. I guess that bit about “innocent until proven guilty” is just something I saw in a movie.


8 posted on 09/19/2013 5:44:05 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“1984”


9 posted on 09/19/2013 5:44:45 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Raycpa
How stupid/corrupt is a dentist who keeps prescribing pain meds to a patient rather than performing the necessary procedures to directly address the pain?

Why should I have to give my medical history over to the DEA because a few dentists would rather make money being drug dealers than fixing teeth?

10 posted on 09/19/2013 5:46:11 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

As a retired dentist I would suggest filling out the medical/dental history part but nothing else. I would not sign it but initial it. If the dentist balks at that, tell them you will be paying in CASH and see what happens....


11 posted on 09/19/2013 5:47:11 PM PDT by yadent
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Question: what is the interest of the DEA? Teeth can be tested for drug use, no? Or are they checking for prescriptions?


12 posted on 09/19/2013 5:47:36 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: yadent
Unfortunately it's an on-line form and there is no way to save whatever information I've typed in unless I enter my name and click 'Done'.

It's all or nothing.

I guess they'll end up getting nothing.

13 posted on 09/19/2013 5:48:17 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Yaelle
It seems like they are checking for prescriptions. They have specific questions about whether or not you have taken Oxycontin, etc.

But again, there are lots of people who take very strong drugs for legitimate reasons who should be considered innocent until proven otherwise.

I am not a libertarian, but I am definitely an opponent of the ineffective War on Drugs.

Before we found out about the NSA we kinda' knew our liberties and privacy were being nibbled away at by those intent on looking under every rock for every user and dealer. How many people have been killed or injured in drug raids on wrong addresses? How many unconstitutional checkpoints have been erected to ask invasive questions for some supposedly higher purpose?

We are quickly becoming the mirror image of the nations we fought in WWII and the Cold War.

14 posted on 09/19/2013 5:54:09 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Just tell your dentist that you don’t have a computer, or that you don’t use a computer.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 5:54:38 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

screen print and then paste to any rtf type doc


16 posted on 09/19/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (i don't believe any court in this country is operating lawfully anyway)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Tell the office/dentist that they will lose your business if this is an absolute requirement.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 6:04:41 PM PDT by yadent
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Just tell your dentist you don't need pain killer drugs....and get a lower quote for the work....

Spokeshave who suffered under UK dental treatment and following years of remedial dentistry sans pain killers.

18 posted on 09/19/2013 6:11:32 PM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“I was recently asked by my dentist to fill out an on-line patient history so they could go paperless. “

I’ll help.

“Please fill go online and fill out your patient health history so we can save money.”

“Ha, ha, ha!!! Unless you are adding me to your payroll, I’m not working for you. I am not putting my information online either.”

I’d find a new dentist.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 6:21:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; All
Calm down. Health and dental care providers provide that warning to let abusers know we are going to report them if we find they are getting narcs through fraudulent means. Due to the epidemic of people trying to get narcotics for the purpose of abuse or street sale, medical and dental providers are cracking down on giving these meds out.

Once, the ER MD and I actually reported a guy to the feds because he was clearly obtaining narcotics for street sale. He had been making the rounds of every ER in the region on a monthly basis. He had his act down pretty well, too. Until he met me.

The guy was frog-marched out of the ER by the DEA, and I do not regret having called them.

Want to know why our healthcare is so expensive? Human skid-marks like that guy.

20 posted on 09/19/2013 6:23:47 PM PDT by 60Gunner (Fight with your head high, or grovel with your head low.)
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