Posted on 09/26/2013 1:23:55 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
“Probably the main thing is that they were a cult ....”
Read Feynmann’s commencement speech at Cal Tech.
Cargo Cult Science. He discussed the fakery and dishonesty that he observed in education.
http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm
It’s a good read.
Large numbers of function illiterates, that is.
A thorough grounding in phonics produces great readers, excellent spellers and good writers in far greater numbers, even at the low end of the bell curve or when parents are indifferent.
Illiterates yutes become feral yutes because they have no way to access civilization except through their peers.
They tried to pull this crap on my child in the late eighties, we noticed something about her reading as we had begun phonics before grammar school and her grades started to plummet, we told them phonics or we’d pull her from school. They caved and the whole program was scraped the following year!
Since apparently nobody ever took us through “phonics,” I suspect we learned to read by “sight.”
My kindergarten teacher was so offended by my being able to read, in actuality better than she did, that she called my mom in to complain. Apparently it was against the rules or something to not learn via the designated system. Mom thought it was hilarious.
Agreed. But teaching (or learning) phonics requires discipline and drill, which I believe are not high on the priority list of the groups you reference.
So if “see-say” were outlawed tomorrow, I don’t know that it would of itself make much difference.
Read to your child every night before bedtime. There are books available that have stories for every day of the year.
If you do that, I guarantee that your child will be reading to you before he/she starts school.
Agree 100%!!!
My mom (the brand new English teacher) waited until I was 2 before teaching me phonics approach..........compulsive to this day.
Well I don’t know which phonics you are using, but it requires much less drill than any sight method since there are 70 phonograms and 30 spelling rules. Pretty much anyone can memorize 100 facts better and faster than thousands of words by sight.
You don’t need expensive textbooks or workbooks either. People forget that millions are spent in every school district on these, which is another prime motivator in persisting with whole word methods. It’s always about the moolah.
Look-say, Whole-Word, and whatever other name they give it is a giant step up to converting the writing system to Hieroglyphics which promotes politically beneficial Illiteracy. Eventually it is hoped that the profession of Scribe will be resurrected for the Priests of the New Utopia so that information is more easily filtered and controlled.
I remember getting in trouble in kindergarten for doing the worksheets too quickly. They would have instructions like "circle the cat in each picture" that were meant for the teacher to read to the students. I had circled all my cats before the teacher was done explaining what should be done.
Schools really can't handle the intelligent kids. If I was in school today, I guess I would be pumped full for ritalin to keep me from reading ahead.
It was a system that worked not because of the texts, but because the method was effective and the people involved were motivated.
I also knew how to read when I went into the 1st grade. I was 9 years and about 9 months, at that time you didn’t have to be 6 to start school. I learned to read by asking my mother how to pronounce words I would see in the news papers. I knew what the meant when I heard her say the words, such as the, wind, sky, etc. After a time I could read the paper by myself with out her help(except for really large words). She didn’t think it was remarkable. I believe I could read just before age 5. I was going to the library and checking out books(I really got into science fiction)by the age of 5. Jane and Dick bored the heck out of me. See, see, see. See Jane run. See Dick throw the ball, see spot catch the ball. Didn’t win me any awards with the teacher by bad mouthing the book!
No, America punked itself. In 2008 and 2012. And now they are on the verge of getting what they voted for.
I tutor kids. Last year I had a little girl, first-grader, who told me, “I am not the smartest kid in my class.” Broke my heart!! Why? Because she was not reading fluently yet! She had to memorize lists of sight words the entire year - rows and rows of words! By sight! It was guaranteed to kill any delight that kid would ever have in reading.
I am a strong believer in phonics, and I taught her to sound out the words, much as we could. Granted, English is not very phonetic, compared to Spanish, for instance. But still, letters have sounds, and giving kids the tools to sound out words opens the entire world of reading to them. Why oh why do they make them memorize pages and pages of sight words?
She rose to the challenge and got every word right on the end-of-year ALL sight-words test, by the way. And I spent a lot of time helping her to see the joy of reading. But what a waste of time.
Exactly. Make them only literate enough to fill out a food stamp application.
The reason why the book had such a limited number of words, is because it was designed for the "look/say" or "whole word" method of reading instruction. The method is appropriate for pictographic languages like Chinese, but not phonetical languages like English.
The method was known to be counterproductive in teaching children to read English, but that is why John Dewey promoted it. He wanted to diminish children's ability to read, and interest in reading.
Dewey wanted to prevent individual learning. Rather, he wanted children to work together, guessing at the meaning of words. Dewey was a socialist who signed the first Humanist Manifesto.
RE: “we told them phonics or we’d pull her from school.”
A wonderful story, and exactly what everyone should do.
Crap!Correction to my #33 post. I was FIVE years and 9 months, not 9 years, when I started 1st grade.
I have three sons like you, and three sons who had to be taught to read with phonics at age 5-6. The instant-readers don't miss out on learning to read in public school, but they miss out on everything they could have learned with their ability, because they're held back to the level of the "other" kids in their grade, who didn't learn to read because they weren't taught.
So far, three daughters have had to be taught to read. The 4th isn't 2 yet, so I don't know how she'll turn out.
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