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US State Secessionist Movements Reveal Urban/Rural Divide
Voice of America ^ | 9-16-13 | Brian Padden

Posted on 10/04/2013 3:15:42 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

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1 posted on 10/04/2013 3:15:42 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: noprogs; ColdOne; KC_Lion
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2 posted on 10/04/2013 3:17:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Unfortunately the trap door of this roach hotel slammed shut long ago after the loss of state’s rights and almost every constitutional restriction on Federal power rendered moot.

I would gladly pack up and leave for a state not under the thumb of this Federal criminal conspiracy.


3 posted on 10/04/2013 3:25:17 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Wurlitzer

There was a lovely secession of West Virginia from the insurrectionists, and a few counties of California are applying for secession from the liberal mess that is California.


4 posted on 10/04/2013 3:29:45 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: Wurlitzer

Eastern Wa. state has wanted to leave the western part and join Idaho for years.


5 posted on 10/04/2013 3:30:34 PM PDT by gunner03
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To: RKBA Democrat
Check out Scotus 1964 Reynolds v. Sims.

The black-robes once again walked into political territory and overthrew hundreds of years of American tradition.

Until then, most state senates represented counties. After Reynolds, state senatorial districts had to be of roughly equal numbers. IOW, state senates were made little different from state assemblies.

By Reynolds, the Scotus for all practical purposes imposed a 17th amendment-like decision on the states.

Rural counties around the nation would like to secede from the city mob governments imposed on them by scotus.

6 posted on 10/04/2013 3:31:28 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obamacare forces slaves to buy their chains.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

What congress should do is realign the border of Idaho and Montana to follow the boundaries of Yellowstone.

Because the current boundaries are not aligned with the park boundaries, those sections of Yellowstone are the only places in the country were you could murder someone, and not be able to be tried. There is no state court with jurisdiction, and the federal court with jurisdiction is across the state border in Wyoming, making a court case against the murderer unconstitutional.


7 posted on 10/04/2013 3:32:49 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: Jacquerie
Until then, most state senates represented counties. After Reynolds, state senatorial districts had to be of roughly equal numbers. IOW, state senates were made little different from state assemblies

Yes, that's what set mega-cities in power over whole states.

8 posted on 10/04/2013 3:34:27 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

An astute student of history and human nature, Thomas Jefferson, predicted what we see happening here in America. While a strong case can be made that the French aristocracy brought it upon themselves, as ambassador in France, he witnessed the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.

He also knew where the bulk of the problem would originate.

That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.

(A 6 minute video with this information may be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLu49pq3bI)

As I understand it, at the time of the drafting of the Declaration, Mr. Jefferson originally wrote “…Life, Liberty and PROPERTY…” (meaning that one’s right to freely acquire, use and dispose of his property – to the extent doing so did not violate the same to others – was a Creator endowed right. Because slavery viewed humans as property, the phrase “Pursuit of Happiness” was adopted instead to avoid – at least for the time being — the inevitable debate on that subject.

“The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.” —Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230

“I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442

“I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice.” —Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

“Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation.” —Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304

“Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401

“An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402

“I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England.” —Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120


9 posted on 10/04/2013 3:35:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is not bliss. It is the road to serfdom.)
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To: donmeaker

Is this true? It can’t be. If so I need to start planning a Yellowstone trip with a person I know.....


10 posted on 10/04/2013 3:38:19 PM PDT by wrencher
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I learned it on Volkoh Conspiracy.

Of course if you plan to murder inside the Idaho-Yellowstone area, but planing took place outside the specified location, the conspiracy itself is punishable in the venue in which the conspiracy took place.


11 posted on 10/04/2013 3:42:13 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

Ooops, slipped up already. My previous post was thoughtcrime.


12 posted on 10/04/2013 4:16:22 PM PDT by wrencher
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To: RKBA Democrat

Why don’t we trade Northern California for Puerto Rico. That way the balance isn’t changed?


13 posted on 10/04/2013 4:17:43 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: RKBA Democrat
The “blue” states are irredeemable.I am firmly convinced of that.As a result I'm an enthusiastic supporter of secession.I'll move down to North Carolina,or even Georgia,in spite of my hatred of heat and humidity.
14 posted on 10/04/2013 4:24:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Dick Bachert
Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120

I wonder if this H G Spafford, was the father of H G Spafford, who wrote "It is well with my soul?"

15 posted on 10/04/2013 4:26:10 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: JSDude1

Sounds good to me. Call the break away counties Northeast California (the string of counties from Del Norte to Inyo). Add another state for Southeast California (San Diego, Orange, Riverside, Imperial Counties) and consider breaking NYC and Long Island into a separate state to go along with it.

California would then have 6 senators for some 30 million people, whereas we now have 2. Northern NY absent NYC/LI would be reliable Republican, and their senators would still represent rather more than most.

Of course the Dems in Sacramento CA like running the rest of the state, the graft is larger.


16 posted on 10/04/2013 4:32:03 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

Conspiracy would require consultation with another over specific acts. Mere thoughts are insufficent. Don’t use a travel agent.


17 posted on 10/04/2013 4:33:44 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4529829.stm

Ain’t gonna happen. The courts, like the other 2 branches, interpret the Constitution as it sees most beneficial.


18 posted on 10/04/2013 4:39:34 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat

They may, but the legal case is frightfully clear.

The borders of Yellowstone predate the state borders, and the state borders were not aligned with the park boundaries.

Since noone lives there, it doesn’t come up often.


19 posted on 10/04/2013 4:45:03 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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Agree! Let them have their USSA, as long as they leave the rest of us out of it.


20 posted on 10/04/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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