'ObamaScare'

americanthinker.com/blog ^ | 10 October 2013 | Nick Chase

[virgil283]

Question : "Do I need to have insurance?--Yes. The ACA requires all Americans have health care coverage "that meets basic minimum standards."..."That's flat-out FALSE ," ....I see people panicking -- they feel they must buy health insurance by December 15, ..... What Chief Justice Roberts said was, "The mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to the IRS." ..... Under the Unaffordable Care Act, as redefined by the Supreme Court, whether or not you buy health care insurance is a purely economic decision. You can sign up for a plan which may cost several hundred dollars a month or more, or you can pay a tax (in 2016 and beyond -- 2014 and 2015 are cheaper) of about $58 per month for individuals ....

[virgil283]

:"Under the Unaffordable Care Act, as redefined by the Supreme Court, whether or not you buy health care insurance is a purely economic decision. You can sign up for a plan which may cost several hundred dollars a month or more, or you can pay a tax (in 2016 and beyond -- 2014 and 2015 are cheaper) of about $58 per month for individuals or $174 per month for families of 4 or more (or 2.5% of household income, whichever is greater). Think of paying the tax as your guarantee that you will be able to buy comprehensive health insurance at the next open-enrollment period should the need arise, as insurance companies must now accept people with pre-existing conditions. In the meantime, you could pay for your own health care out of pocket; it might be the cheaper way to go.

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[Texas Fossil]

Are the Muslims exempted from this?

If so, is this a “tribute tax”?

I promise not to be a good little Dhemmi!

[kaboom]

So, are insurance fees for Obamacare and/or applicable fines to be counted as Federal Taxes paid when filing with the IRS each year?

[deadrock]

I coined that phrase weeks ago...

[deadrock]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3045001/posts?page=8#8

[deadrock]

Wow...months ago...Tempus Fugit.

[expat2]

The problem is that the tax of 2.5% is quite a lot if you have a decent income ($2000 for an $80,000 income), and only people with decent incomes can pay for healthcare out of pocket.

[Kickass Conservative]

Do the fines, er Tax collected go to cover Obamacare expenses or do they just get dumped into the General Fund like SS and Medicare?

[virgil283]

"Do the fines, er Tax collected go to cover Obamacare expenses or do they just get dumped into the General Fund like SS and Medicare?"....Yo no Say.. does any one here know?

[Talisker]

The truth is that virtually no one is liable to Obamacare.

And, if people comnprehended that, the whole country would change for the better, because Democrats would be permanently de-funded.

But it's too big a truth, protected by too big a lie - so everyone hides from it.

Nevertheless, it is the truth - straight from the ruling of the Chief Justice.

One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

[Springfield Reformer]

Christians can play the exemption game too. The reason the Amish/Muslims/whoever are “exempt” is because their religions formally reject the idea of contractual insurance, and have done so for a very long time. The Amish in particular have fought this in court and won status as conscientious objectors. That’s a great status to have because it means the courts understand you would rather die than give in, legally, you have a conviction rather than a mere preference. So I don’t begrudge them their hard-fought legal victories.

But as a nice side-effect of this multi-generational legal fight for First Amendment rights, if you are willing to give up on contractual insurance, you can join one of a number of Christian healthcare exchanges and be exempt from both the IRS mandate tax and assimilation into the Obamacare Borg. I am still selecting which co-op I will join, as there are differences among them worth thinking about. But it is an option available to any Christian, not just the Amish etc. And how great would it be if huge numbers of us went there instead of the exchanges. We could starve the beast to the point of killing it, and all perfectly legal.

[Springfield Reformer]

“Christian healthcare exchanges” should be “Christian healthcare co-ops”

Two totally different things. Sorry for the error.

[Terry L Smith]

Dear Caligula, er, Obama,

I REFUSE.

signed,

An American.

[Texas Fossil]

Thanks. That is something to think about.

Have done business with many Mennonites. Some of them border on the Amish attitudes. A lot of them still do not own cars and do not have electricity in their homes. Municipal water & gas are OK. Good clean honest people, with very few exceptions.

I am Southern Baptist. That tradition goes back many many generations.

[VerySadAmerican]

A question to all:

I’ve heard that the premium amount paid by the employer will be considered taxable income. If that’s true, will the subsidies be considered income?

[justa-hairyape]

So I have to pay a tax for a service I do not want and will not receive ? Screw them. They are insane.