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A Review of The Southern Cross - The Story of the Confederacy's First Battle Flag
The Washington Times ^ | 22 October 2013 | Richard G. Williams, Jr.

Posted on 10/26/2013 7:01:38 AM PDT by Davy Buck

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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

“If only it wasn’t for all those pesky statements from southern leaders saying that they were rebelling over issues around slavery.”

Why would they do that since Lincoln’s own inaugural address stated he did not seek to change slavery in the South or North?


41 posted on 10/27/2013 1:19:28 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: X Fretensis

“actually the war started April 12 1861. This is the date that the Confederate Government forces fired on A United States Government installation.”

Public school education, I see. The war started before that.


42 posted on 10/27/2013 1:20:49 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: RWGinger

I pointed out to you that the presence of slaves does not naturally result in war, which seemed to be your contention.


43 posted on 10/27/2013 10:18:56 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: CodeToad
Why would they do that since Lincoln’s own inaugural address stated he did not seek to change slavery in the South or North?

I'll assume you're really dumb and not just playing at it.

While Lincoln made it clear that he had no intentions of interfering with slavery in the states where it existed, a fundamental part of his campaign (and indeed, the founding of the Republican Party) was stopping the spread of slavery into the territories. The south saw this as enough of a threat to their economic well-being to rebel.

44 posted on 10/27/2013 10:20:54 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: CodeToad
The war started before that.

Go on.

45 posted on 10/27/2013 10:21:31 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: RWGinger

Lincoln did do that.

However it was his blockade decree which was the first act of war and its beginning.


46 posted on 10/27/2013 10:21:35 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

It is evident that it is you dealing in opinion.


47 posted on 10/27/2013 10:23:51 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: X Fretensis

That is correct. The invasion of Virginia was not to free any slaves, and thus the initiation of hostilities was not to free slaves.


48 posted on 10/27/2013 10:27:00 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: X Fretensis

You offered: “actually the war started April 12 1861. This is the date that the Confederate Government forces fired on A United States Government installation.”

Your school history book may have said that, but the US Government set the beginning date as the day Lincoln decreed the blockade.


49 posted on 10/27/2013 10:31:04 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
Your school history book may have said that, but the US Government set the beginning date as the day Lincoln decreed the blockade

Which is sort of like saying that World War 2 didn't start until December 8, 1941, when FDR signed the declaration of war passed by Congress and not on December 7, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

50 posted on 10/27/2013 11:55:56 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: PeaRidge
The invasion of Virginia was not to free any slaves, and thus the initiation of hostilities was not to free slaves.

Who claimed it was?

51 posted on 10/27/2013 11:57:04 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: rockrr

52 posted on 10/27/2013 12:00:23 PM PDT by x
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YAWN

I see that the Lost Cause Losers aren’t even offering up any original crap - just the same old threadbare revisionism.

*sigh*


53 posted on 10/27/2013 12:24:39 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I would begin with you.


54 posted on 10/27/2013 12:28:51 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Davy Buck

Have you seen the documentary? What do you think of it?


55 posted on 10/27/2013 12:31:28 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

You can imply some truth in the use of that analogy, but the truth and facts are not on your side.


56 posted on 10/27/2013 12:44:06 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge

Then you’ll have to show where.


57 posted on 10/27/2013 12:45:12 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: PeaRidge

So your position is that firing on Ft. Sumter was not an act of war, is that correct?


58 posted on 10/27/2013 12:47:07 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

It is your analogy. Make it stick.


59 posted on 10/27/2013 1:18:38 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

That is correct. Sumter was nothing more than a reinforced hunk of rock.


60 posted on 10/27/2013 1:19:37 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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